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All of college football needs to stop scheduling ND until they fucking join a conference. 

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1 minute ago, irishtexan said:

All of college football needs to stop scheduling ND until they fucking join a conference. 

Go even further than that. They shouldn't be allowed in postseason play, and they should be excluded from CFP rankings entirely until they join a conference.

It's far beyond time to end their special treatment. On top of that, they get to play a bunch of games that mean nothing toward the conference standings of any team they play, so their games mean that much less.

They're never going to do it on their own, you have to give them no choice. It's time.

Notre Dame would beat BYU by 2 touchdowns because Mormonism isn't a real religion.

ND making it is the biggest travesty of them all but I think them slotting ND at 10 and Miami at 12 sets the CFP up to right that wrong - BYU loses, that puts Miami and ND next to year other which justifies a flip due to the head to head.

Doesn't really do us any favors but at least ND gets fucked.

If they want to quiet the Texas hype train down, they just need to come out and say it - losses are more important than wins. That is the ONLY justification for ND and Miami being ranked ahead of Texas. If flies in the face of what they've said previously but if that's their stance now, so be it, but fucking own it so we can adjust accordingly. 

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Notre Dame would beat BYU by 2 touchdowns because Mormonism isn't a real religion.

Stop persecuting Christians.

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Notre Dame would beat BYU by 2 touchdowns because Mormonism isn't a real religion.

Rastafarianism is the only real religion. 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 One of the at-large is automatically ND's*, so more like SEC champ + 6 potential at-large spots for Texas.

 

*as the committee has clearly made it plain as day this year, they are in at 10-2 and their schedule sets them up for 10-2 or better for the rest of forever. 

Their ACC alignment really weakens their schedule. The 2027 slate has potential to be extremely decent if USC lands, or the chance to be crap:

Potential good games:

- Auburn pending Golesh returns.

- Georgia Tech if Lea keeps momentum.

- Clemson pending Dabo getting shit together.

- VaTech pending Franklin returns (top 22 class is a great start, their roster will be a contender in the ACC).

- USC if they renew.

I’d say there are even or better odds (for each team individually) to be top 40 in 2025, and potential for 3 or more to slide into the top 20. No one would be surprised any year at Auburn, Clemson, and USC ending in the T25, they have the rosters for that now. 

Michigan State with Fitz is more of a long term project and is more of a wild card.

FEI EWD (Strength of Record based performance v 2 standard deviation above average team)

1. Indiana

2. Ohio State

3. Oregon

4. Aggie (lol)

5. Georgia

6. BYU (!)

7. Alabama

8. Ole Miss

9. Oklahoma

10. Texas Tech

11. Texas

12. Vanderbilt

13. Notre Dame

14. Miami

15. Utah

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yay?

No one knows how strong or weak a schedule is going to be two years down the road. If I tell someone in December 2023 that a 2025 schedule with:

Tech

Indiana

Ole Miss

A&M

Is 4/7 of the 7 top CFP seeds, no one is taking me seriously. 

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Aggy would have had multiple losses if they played BYU’s Big XII schedule, or any regular Big XII schedule that actually includes programs in the top half of the league. 

I don't see it. Maybe they would have been tripped up in one game. But two teams that managed one win a piece in the SEC took down mid-tier big 12 teams in ASU and Baylor.  

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Aggy would have had multiple losses if they played BYU’s Big XII schedule, or any regular Big XII schedule that actually includes programs in the top half of the league. 

Based on what? 

The only SEC-B12 matchups were:

Arizona St @ Mississippi St … MSU won … ASU later went on to beat Texas Tech

Auburn @ Baylor … Auburn won. 

Kansas @ Mizzou … Mizzou won. 

So teams that combined to go 6-18 in SEC play went 3-0 against the B12

21 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Was anyone clamoring to cancel the Ohio State game before the season?

No...why would we? We were fed the bullshit that we wouldn't be penalized for that game, and we are.

18 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I mean this is kind of semantics though because the committee is pretty opaque about what metrics are most important. In the rankings as released Texas is located in the middle of a bunch of 10-2 and 11-1 teams so the refrain “only the loss column matters” is false: Texas is ranked higher than teams with fewer losses and so by definition there is more going on. 

God this is such bullshit.  Texas is, quite literally, out of the playoffs because of 3 losses.  That's it. Bottom line.

58 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

All of college football needs to stop scheduling ND until they fucking join a conference. 

All of fucking this.

It should be Notre Dame OR the ACC champ have an automatic.  They have a scheduling agreement with the ACC and basically play an ACC schedule.  This would fix a lot short of forcing them to join or have a decent schedule.

Edited by JBJ

5 minutes ago, B00M said:

Based on what? 

The only SEC-B12 matchups were:

Arizona St @ Mississippi St … MSU won … ASU later went on to beat Texas Tech

Auburn @ Baylor … Auburn won. 

Kansas @ Mizzou … Mizzou won. 

So teams that combined to go 6-18 in SEC play went 3-0 against the B12

And those big 12 teams were a combined 12-15 in Big 12 play. Auburn and MSU had 1 win a piece in the SEC. 

12 minutes ago, B00M said:

Based on what? 

The only SEC-B12 matchups were:

Arizona St @ Mississippi St … MSU won … ASU later went on to beat Texas Tech

Auburn @ Baylor … Auburn won. 

Kansas @ Mizzou … Mizzou won. 

So teams that combined to go 6-18 in SEC play went 3-0 against the B12

Lol re Baylor, and to an extent Kansas. AZST has been a disappointment and that was a bad loss. I'm talking more about the top part of the league. BYU played Tech, Utah, Arizona, and Cincy (when they were playing well). 

I'm just saying, aggy loses more than one against Tech, BYU, Utah, Zona, and maybe even UH. ISU and TCU could also compete against them. 

56 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Their ACC alignment really weakens their schedule. The 2027 slate has potential to be extremely decent if USC lands, or the chance to be crap:

Potential good games:

- Auburn pending Golesh returns.

- Georgia Tech if Lea keeps momentum.

- Clemson pending Dabo getting shit together.

- VaTech pending Franklin returns (top 22 class is a great start, their roster will be a contender in the ACC).

- USC if they renew.

I’d say there are even or better odds (for each team individually) to be top 40 in 2025, and potential for 3 or more to slide into the top 20. No one would be surprised any year at Auburn, Clemson, and USC ending in the T25, they have the rosters for that now. 

Michigan State with Fitz is more of a long term project and is more of a wild card.

thats a lot of if's for teams that aren't traditional powers.  Clemson sure.  everyone else, meh.  Lea is Vandy, Key is GT.

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Lol re Baylor, and to an extent Kansas. AZST has been a disappointment and that was a bad loss. I'm talking more about the top part of the league. BYU played Tech, Utah, Arizona, and Cincy (when they were playing well). 

I'm just saying, aggy loses more than one against Tech, BYU, Utah, Zona, and maybe even UH. ISU and TCU could also compete against them. 

You may be right but there’s no evidence to support your claim. Then again, the committee has made it clear that no one needs to support any claim that one team is better than another. Head to head doesn’t even matter for fuck sake

23 minutes ago, B00M said:

Based on what? 

The only SEC-B12 matchups were:

Arizona St @ Mississippi St … MSU won … ASU later went on to beat Texas Tech

Auburn @ Baylor … Auburn won. 

Kansas @ Mizzou … Mizzou won. 

So teams that combined to go 6-18 in SEC play went 3-0 against the B12

based on nothing.  good news for the Big 12 is that no one cares about SOS. see Tech

Just now, B00M said:

You may be right but there’s no evidence to support your claim. Then again, the committee has made it clear that no one needs to support any claim that one team is better than another. Head to head doesn’t even matter for fuck sake

I mean its sports, this is what fans do, speculate about bs, and becasue CFB is its playoff is an invitational based on the subjective rankings of human beings, it's always going to be this way. It's like common opponent narratives, no proof whatsoever that because Miami beat Florida and that Florida beat Texas that Miami would beat Texas but Cristobal is already out there with that narrative. 

21 minutes ago, Drew said:

No...why would we? We were fed the bullshit that we wouldn't be penalized for that game, and we are.

God this is such bullshit.  Texas is, quite literally, out of the playoffs because of 3 losses.  That's it. Bottom line.

 

this.  I would be different if our resume other than the loss column sucked.  you know like a SOS in the 60's or 1 top 15 win or more than one loss over a team we should beat, or losing the only 2 tough games on our schedule or....

Also wanted to add this fun fact. OKST's conference losing streak is currently at 19 games. We've beaten two SEC teams (aggy and Arky) since our last conference win. Yes, circumstances, but still fun to type that out, lol. 

Edited by 'stache

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean its sports, this is what fans do, speculate about bs, and becasue CFB is its playoff is an invitational based on the subjective rankings of human beings, it's always going to be this way. It's like common opponent narratives, no proof whatsoever that because Miami beat Florida and that Florida beat Texas that Miami would beat Texas but Cristobal is already out there with that narrative. 

we were gonna beat that spare Carson Beck last year until we knocked his spare ass out of the SEC CCG.

1 hour ago, irishtexan said:

All of college football needs to stop scheduling ND until they fucking join a conference. 

Nah... adjust CFP guidelines to exclude Independents.

Problem solved.

9 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Nah... adjust CFP guidelines to exclude Independents.

Problem solved.

But the NCAA isn't gonna do that. 

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Go even further than that. They shouldn't be allowed in postseason play, and they should be excluded from CFP rankings entirely until they join a conference.

It's far beyond time to end their special treatment. On top of that, they get to play a bunch of games that mean nothing toward the conference standings of any team they play, so their games mean that much less.

They're never going to do it on their own, you have to give them no choice. It's time.

CFP can announce that ND has won the Catholic School National Championship every year.

On 12/3/2025 at 7:26 AM, Js1 said:

….the AP poll has Miami 2 spots beneath ND. So the writers don’t agree 

And the computers, and Vegas know that ND is better than Miami and most playoff teams 

23 hours ago, gofuckyourself said:

One thing I didn't understand was Texas dropping from a preseason #1 to #7 on the basis of a first game single score loss against #3 and the defending national champions on the road.

Aggy drops 3 spots from getting their ass kicked.

I get that these were different ranking "systems" used, which is idiotic in and of itself, but that's another topic.

Usually two top ranked teams playing in a close game just flip spots.

I suppose it's the adage of better to lose late in the year, not early.

Yet, Texas dropped a spot for beating UTEP. Fine, they didn't play well. But then Texas dropped another two spots after beating Sam Houston 55 to 0. Meanwhile Aggy rose two spots for beating Utah State 44-22.

To me much of the season was judged by both fans and media as not playing as "dominantly" as expected.

"Y'all were supposed to roll, because we said so, and now you're not, so face the consequences of our skewed expectations."

Perception when they are looking for a reason to drop you.

2 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

But the NCAA isn't gonna do that. 

NCAA and CFP are different organizations. The problem is the direct relationship between CFP and ND, but it looks like the NCAA doesn't have a say in it - it's conferences and ND (not sure about other independents, if there still are any).

9 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

And the computers, and Vegas know that ND is better than Miami and most playoff teams 

Perception when they are looking for a reason to drop you.

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55 minutes ago, JBJ said:

It should be Notre Dame OR the ACC champ have an automatic.  They have a scheduling agreement with the ACC and basically play an ACC schedule.  This would fix a lot short of forcing them to join or have a decent schedule.

I actually like that a lot.  The ACC wants to help them with the scheduling agreement, then they should functionally be forced to lose their spot to ND if ND finishes ranked higher than their champ. 

An actual proposal should probably be:

1) An Independent team must schedule 10 P4 teams to be under consideration for a CFP ranking.

2) If 5 or more teams are scheduled from the same conference, the automatic qualifier for that conference will be the higher ranked team by the selection committee between the conference championship and the Independent.

In a season where the Big 10 very nearly sold themselves to private equity, it’s hard to argue that ND hasn’t been right about conferences all along. 
 

Going independent is an option for any school that wants to try it. I’d like to see more do it. 

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

I mean its sports, this is what fans do, speculate about bs, and becasue CFB is its playoff is an invitational based on the subjective rankings of human beings, it's always going to be this way. It's like common opponent narratives, no proof whatsoever that because Miami beat Florida and that Florida beat Texas that Miami would beat Texas but Cristobal is already out there with that narrative. 

It’s all so scheme dependent that comparing common opponents is a fool’s errand. See Texas owning OU owning Alabama owning Georgia owning Texas.

Edited by B00M

12 minutes ago, JBJ said:

An actual proposal should probably be:

1) An Independent team must schedule 10 P4 teams to be under consideration for a CFP ranking.

2) If 5 or more teams are scheduled from the same conference, the automatic qualifier for that conference will be the higher ranked team by the selection committee between the conference championship and the Independent.

Under this structure, there’s an argument for ND to join a G5 and then just be the highest ranked non-P5 champ every year while still cracking the door to get an . Which would be hilarious tbh. I bet the SunBelt would agree to some crazy unfavorable revenue-sharing terms. 

Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Under this structure, there’s an argument for ND to join a G5 and then just be the highest ranked non-P5 champ every year

Fine with me. 

40 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

NCAA and CFP are different organizations. The problem is the direct relationship between CFP and ND, but it looks like the NCAA doesn't have a say in it - it's conferences and ND (not sure about other independents, if there still are any).

Actually, there are four: Notrefuckindame, UConn, Sacramento State, and Merrimack. ND is probably working hard behind the scenes to schedule all three of them for 2026--you know, birds of a feather, and like that.

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Under this structure, there’s an argument for ND to join a G5 and then just be the highest ranked non-P5 champ every year while still cracking the door to get an . Which would be hilarious tbh. I bet the SunBelt would agree to some crazy unfavorable revenue-sharing terms. 

Any team could already do this.

5 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Any team could already do this.

Any team can also go independent and play by the same rules ND does. 

18 minutes ago, B00M said:

It’s all so scheme dependent that comparing common opponents is a fool’s errand. See Texas owning OU owning Alabama owning Georgia owning Texas.

Yet, the same people who in this situation will say common opponents is a fool's errand will then turn around and say it's o.k. to lambast Tech and BYU because Tech got beat by ASU who got beat by MSU (on a last second TD due to broken coverage the 2nd week of the year).

Somehow the entire Big 12 gets to be judged on that one loss, but anywhere else transitive properties or common opponents are not viable criteria or metrics.  

It's like the aggies saying Tech sucks because it lost to ASU who lost to MSU, but then they do not see any correlation at all to them losing to UT who lost to a bad Florida team.  We need to get rid of using one game to determine the relative strengths or weaknesses of an entire conference.  Sometimes good teams get upset.  It happens.

Edited by Uncle Nate

It all boils down to money and status, really. 

  • ND doesn't have to share their TV  money with anyone and not every team going indie is getting a $50m deal with one network. 
  • They have enough pull and regional/historic rivalries to get the B1G and ACC to functionally do scheduling agreements with them so they get a good number of P4 opponents per year.  Any team who leaves a conference to go indie has to find conferences willing to do the same, and it is likely that upending conference stability by going indie is going to cause the conference you left to refuse scheduling agreements (barring historical rivalries, like Texas would salvage OU, aggy and Arky, but everyone else would probably tell us to pound sand).  Same with finding a conference home for your non-FB sports. 
  • ND doesn't want to share their CFP money either - up to $20m that is all theirs
  • You have to do it before the CFP format changes and hope you get a built-in ND deal (10-2 gets you in, almost automatically)

Edited by Js1

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It all boils down to money and status, really. 

  • ND doesn't have to share their TV  money with anyone and not every team going indie is getting a $50m deal with one network. 
  • They have enough pull and regional/historic rivalries to get the B1G and ACC to functionally do scheduling agreements with them so they get a good number of P4 opponents per year.  Any team who leaves a conference to go indie has to find conferences willing to do the same, and it is likely that upending conference stability by going indie is going to cause the conference you left to refuse scheduling agreements (barring historical rivalries, like Texas would salvage OU, aggy and Arky, but everyone else would probably tell us to pound sand).  Same with finding a conference home for your non-FB sports. 
  • ND doesn't want to share their CFP money either - up to $20m that is all theirs
  • You have to do it before the CFP format changes and hope you get a built-in ND deal (10-2 gets you in, almost automatically)

Sounds great if you can do it. Props to Notre Dame.

8 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Any team can also go independent and play by the same rules ND does. 

Not nearly as lucratively. Notre Dame is unique in that regard. 

UConn’s QB is really good. They’d get smoked in the CFP but I would mind seeing him play in something other than a bowl game. 
 

I let CDC know about my proposal. Banding together (us teams left out) and having UT host play in games  for those teams and you win you advance as a play in to the CFP. Flip a fucking quarter to draw your opponent. Why the fuck not? Flipping a quarter seems more fair than what the committee has done here.

 

besides Nothing else will change the results for this year. Unless you force the committee’s hand by offering the proposal and putting it out to the networks and sports shows to talk it up. 😂 I know it’s ludicrous. I don’t care. Vandy lobbying on their own won’t get it done. More football. 🏈 that way and it’s exciting and we all know future changes will be made to the structure but it won’t help the lost seasons for those of us on the fringe. I am sure 🙄 he will take it seriously. But I at least told my BMD and he is pretty powerful and I am grateful he spends the bulk of his money on UT medical stuff. 

Edited by Nicole44

8 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Yet, the same people who in this situation will say common opponents is a fool's errand will then turn around and say it's o.k. to lambast Tech and BYU because Tech got beat by ASU who got beat by MSU (on a last second TD due to broken coverage the 2nd week of the year).

Somehow the entire Big 12 gets to be judged on that one loss, but anywhere else transitive properties or common opponents are not viable criteria or metrics.  

It's like the aggies saying Tech sucks because it lost to ASU who lost to MSU, but then they do not see any correlation at all to them losing to UT who lost to a bad Florida team.  We need to get rid of using one game to determine the relative strengths or weaknesses of an entire conference.  Sometimes good teams get upset.  It happens.

People who do that are not taken very seriously, but there is also a reason for it. There are very few data pts between conferences. Texas has played Georgia more than A&M has and that is within the SEC. Imagine how bad it is between the SEC and other conferences. Only way to increase the inter-conference games is if the P4 made a scheduling mandate between all 4. I would love that to happen, but I highly doubt that will ever happen

Edited by Codaxx

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Any team can also go independent and play by the same rules ND does. 

My proposal doesn't actually hurt the Notre Dame model.  They played 10 P4 opponents and 6 from the ACC.  My proposal punishes the ACC for losing 5 games to them AND not having a top 11 team.  Basically crowning Notre Dame the champion and Virginia can f right off.

An annual invitational in Hawaii or PR would be killer. 13/14 invited an go down the line of whomever will accept. Give out a 100k prize for team, for travel and NIL. 

6 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

An annual invitational in Hawaii or PR would be killer. 13/14 invited an go down the line of whomever will accept. Give out a 100k prize for team, for travel and NIL. 

i think you budget is a little light if you want to attract teams. 

7 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

i think you budget is a little light if you want to attract teams. 

He meant "per player"... but you're right, that's still light.

2 hours ago, irishtexan said:

Rastafarianism is the only real religion. 

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A-fuckin'_men

1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

And the computers, and Vegas know that ND is better than Miami and most playoff teams 

How the fuck is every single Irish fan this delusional?

17 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

i think you budget is a little light if you want to attract teams. 

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