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god damn everyone's pretty deep into the bottle tonight

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    Cool, we're still arguing as though there is some form of "messaging" the opposition party could use that would appeal to the shitheads infesting this country. The republican strategy for fifty fuckin

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44 minutes ago, Captainant said:

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process

"All Legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."
(Article I, Section 1, of the United States Constitution)

How Are Laws Made?
Laws begin as ideas. First, a representative sponsors a bill. The bill is then assigned to a committee for study. If released by the committee, the bill is put on a calendar to be voted on, debated or amended. If the bill passes by simple majority (218 of 435), the bill moves to the Senate. In the Senate, the bill is assigned to another committee and, if released, debated and voted on. Again, a simple majority (51 of 100) passes the bill. Finally, a conference committee made of House and Senate members works out any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill. The resulting bill returns to the House and Senate for final approval. The Government Publishing Office prints the revised bill in a process called enrolling. The President has 10 days to sign or veto the enrolled bill.

He’s a fucking moron. Do not engage

the filibuster prevents almost no republican fuckwadery and prevents a lot of progress, so of course he's against nuking it.

10 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Why is it so damn hard for you to say that, technically, 51 votes are all that’s required to pass a Senate bill? That is a true statement.   Why do you refuse to talk about filibuster and cloture?   Is it because bills regarding the budget, taxation, spending, and raising the debt ceiling can be passed with a separate process called reconciliation which cannot be filibustered? 

You simply refuse to discuss the rules or the process and hide behind Snark. Stop that please.

He’s an idiot. And a lying piece of shit. Please don’t quote him

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Bullshit.  I’ve said repeatedly the disingenuous simple jack question bullshit was merely an advocacy for nuking the filibuster.

For the record I’m against nuking the filibuster.  I also agree the filibuster should be the old school talking filibuster, but that’s not happening.

So you don’t want to nuke the filibuster. Fine. Then what do you want the Republicans to do given their current proposed legislation doesn’t have the votes?

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

god damn everyone's pretty deep into the bottle tonight

Fuck you aggie. Our shit is rightfully on melt down mode. 

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

So you don’t want to nuke the filibuster. Fine. Then what do you want the Republicans to do given their current proposed legislation doesn’t have the votes?

Just spitballing here…. maybe walk back a part of the big beautiful bill that closes all the rural hospitals and ends healthcare coverage for millions of people and cuts food to the poor - but doesn’t go into effect after the November election?

Just now, Gatorubet said:

Just spitballing here…. maybe walk back a part of the big beautiful bill that closes all the rural hospitals and ends healthcare coverage for millions of people and cuts food to the poor - but doesn’t go into effect after the November election?

That’s what you might want them to do. I’m interested in what Incredulity wants them to do. 

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

That’s what you might want them to do. I’m interested in what Incredulity wants them to do. 

My bad.

8 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

So you don’t want to nuke the filibuster. Fine. Then what do you want the Republicans to do given their current proposed legislation doesn’t have the votes?

Scream nonstop about obstruction 

Just now, Incredulity said:

Scream nonstop about obstruction 

Oh.  You have a problem with the GOP not being able to hurt poor and sick people.  Gotcha. 

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Scream nonstop about obstruction 

And when that doesn’t work?

4 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

And when that doesn’t work?

Well, nothing that is happening here is what I want.

What I think will happen?  I think the Republicans stay the course till Shumer concedes.  I think he and the D’s have vastly more constituent pressure building every day the gov’t is shutdown.  Also, making a Trillion in temporary spending permanent for a CR isn’t tenable.

 But, your guess is as good as mine regarding what actually does happen.

44 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Scream nonstop about obstruction 

Yes. This is what your side has done for nigh on 20 years now. 

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The obstruction part. Well, both I guess.

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

god damn everyone's pretty deep into the bottle tonight

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36 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We're in good hands.

 

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Citizens United, Social Media and smartphone proliferation all took place from 2008 to 2010. What will go down as the years where the US set it's self destruction in motion. 

20 hours ago, tchookem said:

I'm sure it does. Plus you can shit wherever you want, throw trash wherever you want, and take home any artifact you think would be a cool momento.. 

I don’t understand your response. How does inquiring about whether the permitting system is still functioning imply any of that? They normally release a % of permits day of. We have a large ranger station nearby that’s typically staffed, and it was unclear whether it continued to be for advice I’ve never hiked in permitted areas without permits.

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7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Citizens United, Social Media and smartphone proliferation all took place from 2008 to 2010. What will go down as the years where the US set it's self destruction in motion. 

Imo, the failure of the Democrats to hold banks and financers accountable for the 2008 financial crisis is the original sin. They broke the social contract with their voters in favor of sucking their donors dicks. The Dems sowed the seeds of discontent and trumpism by truly giving them a REAL "both sides" argument 

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Imo, the failure of the Democrats to hold banks and financers accountable for the 2008 financial crisis is the original sin. They broke the social contract with their voters in favor of sucking their donors dicks. The Dems sowed the seeds of discontent and trumpism by truly giving them a REAL "both sides" argument 

Yeah, that may be the pinnacle of D corporatism, but it had been brewing for quite some time.  And persists to this day.

8 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Citizens United, Social Media and smartphone proliferation all took place from 2008 to 2010. What will go down as the years where the US set it's self destruction in motion. 

Social Media is a net benefit for society but when Rich Americans saw how Russians weaponized it, instead of stoping that they built their own systems to weaponize it. The problem isn't technology. The problem is the rich who think they can do what they want without impunity. 

On 10/4/2025 at 7:57 AM, David Dennison said:

Republicans can change that any time they want.

Unless, of course, they don't have the votes.

 

How? Educate me. 

47 minutes ago, Pasken said:

The problem is the rich who can do what they want without impunity. 

Ftfy

53 minutes ago, Slacks said:

How? Educate me. 

The filibuster exists because of Senate rules. The rules can be changed with 51 votes.

13 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

That’s what you might want them to do. I’m interested in what Incredulity wants them to do. 

Keep blaming democrats duh

On 10/4/2025 at 6:49 PM, hayden_horn said:

Lol. Look at the dude you are stanning. He reees. He pepes. He clearly is drenched in far right white nationalist propaganda. When that's pointed out you come for me? Are you also racist? Why are you defending an obvious racist?

Maybe Ana is a special education teacher? 

23 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Maybe Ana is a special education teacher? 

Only here. 

4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

The Aryan is a racist? Whodathunkit?

Look at this idiot.  

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

* idoit

Well there are like dozens  of posters here with opinions. You can die an old man and never once see ole unc chime in to calm them out. 

 

20 hours ago, David Dennison said:

* idoit

So, your threadshitting is purposeful.

15 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

 

So, your threadshitting is purposeful.

It's a hornfans bit.

23 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Maybe Ana is a special education teacher? 

Nah, he just counts to 30 about 100 times a day while standing a step above you. 

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There seems to be zero urgency on this thing. Stock market ticking up still somehow, informally and anectdotely, nobody I talk to seems to care that the government is shut down and most don't even know in a "oh, this that still happening is it still shut down? btw what does that even mean?"

It seems like the politically plugged in get it, but not sure how what % of the actual people that make up in the real world.

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9 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

There seems to be zero urgency on this thing. Stock market ticking up still somehow, informally and anectdotely, nobody I talk to seems to care that the government is shut down and most don't even know in a "oh, this that still happening is it still shut down? btw what does that even mean?"

It seems like the politically plugged in get it, but not sure how what % of the actual people that make up in the real world.

I was coming to post something similar.

I think the Dem strategy of using healthcare as their battle cry in this is falling on deaf ears.  Maybe it's just me, but in my world, no one is walking around talking about healthcare.  I don't think most people even understand what a shut down is or what the healthcare argument is about.

If I were the Dems, I would be just hammering the fact that the Rs control the government entirely and they shut it down.  Full stop.  That's the argument.  They are so inept that they can't keep the government they fully control open.  Prices are still high.  Don't vote for these dopes again.

 

But nope, we are going to try and get into the weeds on a tax credit for healthcare that 95% of the nation doesn't even understand.  Cool.

10 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

There seems to be zero urgency on this thing. Stock market ticking up still somehow, informally and anectdotely, nobody I talk to seems to care that the government is shut down and most don't even know in a "oh, this that still happening is it still shut down? btw what does that even mean?"

It seems like the politically plugged in get it, but not sure how what % of the actual people that make up in the real world.

Maybe if TSA and air traffic control go more than month without a paycheck, people will create urgency to revolve this prior to Thanksgiving travel. 

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Damn, I missed catching up on this thread yesterday. Some of you boys had a really rough Saturday night, huh? 

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