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Could this be the craziest coaching carousel of all time?

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37 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

If Nicole drags Sark into the river tonight, who's the first guy you call tomorrow?

Now that we're all in on the SEC if it isn't Saban, I'd call Lane.

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45 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It would need to be a Jimbo type of stupid guaranteed money.  Freeman makes 9 million a year or more at ND. He almost certainly has a longer leash and is dealing with a more pleasant group of boosters and alums. Look at BK, he chased that SEC money and Freeman has been to more CFPs and played for more championships.

 

I think that in the NIL era, ND is one of the best jobs in the sport. 

It is funny because Kelly couldn't get resources to keep his assistant coaches from being poached away. He left and went to LSU who he thought had more resources. Now Freeman is swimming in resources. Maybe it was just that Kelly was an asshole who nobody likes. He seems to be running into similar problems at LSU.  

2 hours ago, TXpride said:

Louisiana isn't the deep south but Kentucky might be? You're overthinking this. I have a very simple rule: are there pine trees? If yes, you're in the south.


Please tell me this is sarcasm. Or do I need to look at Canadians much differently now? 

Just saw that Lashlee played at Arky, but I just don't see how that situation is better than SMU right now. Bigger stadium and crowds seems to be the sole advantage. SMU should be able to pay better and they've already shown support for NIL budgets. Arky would need way more commitment of funds for Arky to compete in the SEC. Lashlee has a pretty good situation it seems in the ACC.

11 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

It is funny because Kelly couldn't get resources to keep his assistant coaches from being poached away. He left and went to LSU who he thought had more resources. Now Freeman is swimming in resources. Maybe it was just that Kelly was an asshole who nobody likes. He seems to be running into similar problems at LSU.  

Thank you for letting me post this:

 

Man, this has gotten ridiculous regarding coaching salaries & NIL.  Not only is there the gigantic buyout some schools have to deal with, now you have to factor in how firing the coach is going to affect player’s NIL decisions.

Not that long ago coaches were given 3 years to turn around a program (depending on how in the toilet they were), once they got “their players signed. Now, it’s a yearly roster change it seems. I would think the era of 10 year gazillion-dollar contracts is over. Take that money and buy some talent in the portal and roll the dice.

/old man rant/ The current state of college football has really killed my interest in the sport I love. 18 year-old getting multi-million $ contracts without having played a snap going bust, players bailing on their team before the season ends to “protect themselves”, conferences that make zero sense, etc..  Personally, I may take a quick peek at the score, then do something that actually brings me enjoyment. \old man rant\

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

So, Minnesota?

 

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Maine is the south?

 

12 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


Please tell me this is sarcasm. Or do I need to look at Canadians much differently now? 

I'm referring to states areas on the periphery of the south where people might actually debate the question (Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc.).

6 minutes ago, USC_TMB said:

/old man rant/ The current state of college football has really killed my interest in the sport I love. 18 year-old getting multi-million $ contracts without having played a snap going bust, players bailing on their team before the season ends to “protect themselves”, conferences that make zero sense, etc..  Personally, I may take a quick peek at the score, then do something that actually brings me enjoyment. \old man rant\

Agreed, but CFB has always been my favorite spectator sport.

Just look at NFL contracts for some perspective. Can't blame a kid for taking advantage of the current situation. Both UT and USC should benefit from NIL.

18 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Just saw that Lashlee played at Arky, but I just don't see how that situation is better than SMU right now. Bigger stadium and crowds seems to be the sole advantage. SMU should be able to pay better and they've already shown support for NIL budgets. Arky would need way more commitment of funds for Arky to compete in the SEC. Lashlee has a pretty good situation it seems in the ACC.

SMU is holding serve on NIL salaries, and they haven't even gotten any TV revenue money in yet. Didn't they forego it for like 5 or 10 years, something absurd, to join the ACC? I'm not Lashlee wants to be at SMU long term, and I'm not sure he's going to have SMU consistently winning, even in the ACC. But I can make a case it's better positioned to show up in the playoffs than fucking Arkansas. And maybe once they get TV money, life gets easier. 

4 minutes ago, USC_TMB said:

Man, this has gotten ridiculous regarding coaching salaries & NIL.  Not only is there the gigantic buyout some schools have to deal with, now you have to factor in how firing the coach is going to affect player’s NIL decisions.

Not that long ago coaches were given 3 years to turn around a program (depending on how in the toilet they were), once they got “their players signed. Now, it’s a yearly roster change it seems. I would think the era of 10 year gazillion-dollar contracts is over. Take that money and buy some talent in the portal and roll the dice.

/old man rant/ The current state of college football has really killed my interest in the sport I love. 18 year-old getting multi-million $ contracts without having played a snap going bust, players bailing on their team before the season ends to “protect themselves”, conferences that make zero sense, etc..  Personally, I may take a quick peek at the score, then do something that actually brings me enjoyment. \old man rant\

Well, old man, maybe y'all shouldn't have guaranteed Lincoln Riley 100 million dollars to gargle your collective balls at USC. Something tells me if he'd turned it around, instead of spending much too much time tanning his aztec sun belly tat, you'd be signing a different tune. 

18 year old players were getting paid by a lot of teams before now. Just not as much as now, and under the table. I'm sure you forgot all about Reggie Bush's transgressions, but big time HS recruits that got paid also busted, ala Albert Means.

Basically like all old people, you can't handle change. 

7 minutes ago, TXpride said:

 

 

I'm referring to states areas on the periphery of the south where people might actually debate the question (Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc.).

Maybe you should have said "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South." It wouldn't have made your statement any more correct, but at least it wouldn't be forcing you to show back up and move the goalposts further on your absurd take. 

7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

SMU is holding serve on NIL salaries, and they haven't even gotten any TV revenue money in yet. Didn't they forego it for like 5 or 10 years, something absurd, to join the ACC? I'm not Lashlee wants to be at SMU long term, and I'm not sure he's going to have SMU consistently winning, even in the ACC. But I can make a case it's better positioned to show up in the playoffs than fucking Arkansas. And maybe once they get TV money, life gets easier. 

100% agree with this. Lashlee should hold out for at least a tier 2 school in the P2. He may actually be a quality replacement candidate for Riley if it comes to that, or maybe Ole Miss if Kiffen leaves. Traylor could be the guy at SMU if Lashlee does leave. I anticipate Arkansas to go with Occam's razor and just hire Petrino. Since he is an in house candidate, they will get him cheaper. I think Florida ends up with Fisch at the end of the day, who is a quality coach but he isn't going to have recruits excited. Jim McElwain 2.0. 

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4 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

100% agree with this. Lashlee should hold out for at least a tier 2 school in the P2. He may actually be a quality replacement candidate for Riley if it comes to that, or maybe Ole Miss if Kiffen leaves. Traylor could be the guy at SMU if Lashlee does leave. I anticipate Arkansas to go with Occam's razor and just hire Petrino. Since he is an in house candidate, they will get him cheaper. I think Florida ends up with Fisch at the end of the day, who is a quality coach but he isn't going to have recruits excited. Jim McElwain 2.0. 

I had completely erased the McElwain era from my mind.  I saw him in a wiki article when I got curious after Napier crapped out against Miami and thought “oh yeah, they had that guy.” 

6 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

100% agree with this. Lashlee should hold out for at least a tier 2 school in the P2. He may actually be a quality replacement candidate for Riley if it comes to that, or maybe Ole Miss if Kiffen leaves. Traylor could be the guy at SMU if Lashlee does leave. I anticipate Arkansas to go with Occam's razor and just hire Petrino. Since he is an in house candidate, they will get him cheaper. I think Florida ends up with Fisch at the end of the day, who is a quality coach but he isn't going to have recruits excited. Jim McElwain 2.0. 

It's hard to believe that anyone would consider Oxford a more desirable locale than Highland Park.

Really? It's still in fuckin' Mississippi (admittedly, I've never been there)

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Just now, DFW Horn said:

It's hard to believe that anyone would consider Oxford a more desirable locale than Highland Park.

Really? It's still in fuckin' Mississippi (admittedly, I've never been there)

It’s a great place if you want to nonce about and hobnob with genteel decrepit families hiding a Horrible Darkness. 

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s a great place if you want to nonce about and hobnob with genteel decrepit families hiding a Horrible Darkness. 

I want to experience tailgating at The Grove just once to see these silly sumbitches with chandeliers in their tents.

I mean, WTF? Only in MS

26 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Maybe you should have said "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South." It wouldn't have made your statement any more correct, but at least it wouldn't be forcing you to show back up and move the goalposts further on your absurd take. 

Not at all what I said.

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

If Nicole drags Sark into the river tonight, who's the first guy you call tomorrow?

Now that we're all in on the SEC if it isn't Saban, I'd call Lane.

Kirby (but tell him Bobo can’t come), Dan Lanning, DeBoer - probably in that order.  

6 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

So who's paying you to show up regularly and debase yourself on surly with horrible takes?

Simmons and Lea are both Vanderbilt alums, and have gotten some pretty decent investment in facilities. I'm not saying Lea won't leave for another job, but both have been pretty vocal about making Vanderbilt a regular football power. And they've been pretty successful so far in taking steps to that direction. I'm not sure Lea will leave for another program at this point, and certainly Simmons isn't going to follow him just because...Simmons is already extremely wealthy. I think these guys want their school to win at football. 

A similar situation currently exists at GaTech.  I'm pulling for them, except when or if we play them.

6 minutes ago, TXpride said:

Not at all what I said.

Is that say? Are these not you?

 

3 hours ago, TXpride said:

Louisiana isn't the deep south but Kentucky might be? You're overthinking this. I have a very simple rule: are there pine trees? If yes, you're in the south.

45 minutes ago, TXpride said:

 

 

I'm referring to states areas on the periphery of the south where people might actually debate the question (Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc.).

Because I feel like I've rather accurately encapsulated your posts and their meaning, including your efforts to move goalposts and revise your statements as you went along below:
 

34 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Maybe you should have said "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South." It wouldn't have made your statement any more correct, but at least it wouldn't be forcing you to show back up and move the goalposts further on your absurd take. 

 

9 minutes ago, MrX said:

Kirby (but tell him Bobo can’t come), Dan Lanning, DeBoer - probably in that order.  

  1. Kiffin
  2. GJ Kinne
  3. Fisch
  4. Lanning
  5. DeBoer

Kiffin as HC would just be too much damn fun.

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Just saw that Lashlee played at Arky, but I just don't see how that situation is better than SMU right now. Bigger stadium and crowds seems to be the sole advantage. SMU should be able to pay better and they've already shown support for NIL budgets. Arky would need way more commitment of funds for Arky to compete in the SEC. Lashlee has a pretty good situation it seems in the ACC.

It would be a bad career move but if he really loves his state and that school and wants to go for it I would understand. 

I mean, I would hope that he fails miserably but I'd understand. 

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Is that say? Are these not you?

 

Because I feel like I've rather accurately encapsulated your posts and their meaning, including your efforts to move goalposts and revise your statements as you went along below:
 

 

Saying "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South" implies that the entire state of Texas is the deep south, which is not at all what I said.

9 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:
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Lashlee to Arky seems like a “you can’t go home again” type scenario. The vast, vast majority of college head coaching jobs end with hard feelings on one side or another and you’re just adding to that sense of betrayal if you’re an alum. 

41 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s a great place if you want to nonce about and hobnob with genteel decrepit families hiding a Horrible Darkness. 

Wait - are you talking about Oxford or Highland Park?

1 hour ago, TXpride said:

 

 

I'm referring to states areas on the periphery of the south where people might actually debate the question (Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc.).

Pine trees might be in every state except Hawaii though.

Just seems way too universal to delineate anything.

Save your lists. If Sark went down somehow (god forbid), Saban would be on a plane within hours. A succession plan (lol) could be entertained at a later date

Might as well just make coaches jobs and salaries based on NIL with no-contract transfers any time they want to match the players.

CFB is borked.

17 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Save your lists. If Sark went down somehow (god forbid), Saban would be on a plane within hours. A succession plan (lol) could be entertained at a later date

Nah, I heard Saban’s running an Airbnb.

For those debating the exact geographic definition of the Deep South, there really isn't one. For me, one strong indicator would be whether an area voted for George Wallace in 1968, when the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party after the passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 (see election results below). While not perfect, I think it captures some of the geographic vagaries fairly well. I will say, however, this particular indicator breaks down for South Carolina, for whatever reason. That's pretty surprising, considering they were the first to secede.

Today, I'd say it still remains largely accurate, except for some of the bigger cities that decided to embrace economic and social progress during the early boom in migration from the North to the "New South," which is basically what drives the economy of what we call the "Sun Belt" nowadays: DFW, Austin, Houston, New Orleans, Nashville, Atlanta, the Research Triangle, etc.

image.png.6634f69afedada321abc3b28638e300b.png 

 

Deep South is basically Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina.

An expansive definition sometimes includes parts of Texas, Tennessee (think Memphis) and Florida.

It’s historically tied to plantation culture and reliance on slavery.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Deep_South

3 hours ago, Horn80 said:

Nah, I heard Saban’s running an Airbnb.

It's not a spa.

We should definitely keep the definition of the “Deep South” going. 

Billy Napier

Butch Jones

Justin Wilcox

Trent Dilfer

Dave Aranda

Scott Saterfield

Luke Fickell

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5 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Maybe you should have said "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South." It wouldn't have made your statement any more correct, but at least it wouldn't be forcing you to show back up and move the goalposts further on your absurd take. 

I was about to say, as the song says North Carolina is "the land of the pines" to the point the state tree is the pine, and it sure as shit isn't Deep South.

Richmond and parts of NC absolutely must be considered part of the Deep South.

I think this is a pretty good map of the historic Deep South:

USA - Deep South / Dixie - The New South

A bunch of vocabulary, pronunciation, and accent maps follow similar lines:

floatingsheep: Hey Y'all! Geographies of a Colloquialism

 

The United Accents of America: A Guide to American Accents - Language  Trainers USA Blog

Discover American Accent Maps and Improve Your Spoken English - Utell AI  Blog

 

Louisiana isn't the deep south but Kentucky might be? You're overthinking this. I have a very simple rule: are there pine trees? If yes, you're in the south.

I’ll let Boulder know first thing in the morning!
4 hours ago, bolverk said:

For those debating the exact geographic definition of the Deep South, there really isn't one. For me, one strong indicator would be whether an area voted for George Wallace in 1968

If you ever feel like just another face in the crowd, at least know that you are the only human being to ever exist that holds this particular belief. You aren’t a nobody.

12 minutes ago, Reese Bennett said:

Richmond and parts of NC absolutely must be considered part of the Deep South.

I think this is a pretty good map of the historic Deep South:

USA - Deep South / Dixie - The New South

A bunch of vocabulary, pronunciation, and accent maps follow similar lines:

floatingsheep: Hey Y'all! Geographies of a Colloquialism

 

The United Accents of America: A Guide to American Accents - Language  Trainers USA Blog

Discover American Accent Maps and Improve Your Spoken English - Utell AI  Blog

 

Yeah I don't know why NC isn't being mentioned at all. That state is Southern as fuck in places 

13 minutes ago, Reese Bennett said:

Richmond and parts of NC absolutely must be considered part of the Deep South.

I think this is a pretty good map of the historic Deep South:

USA - Deep South / Dixie - The New South

A bunch of vocabulary, pronunciation, and accent maps follow similar lines:

floatingsheep: Hey Y'all! Geographies of a Colloquialism

 

The United Accents of America: A Guide to American Accents - Language  Trainers USA Blog

Discover American Accent Maps and Improve Your Spoken English - Utell AI  Blog

 

Lol I've never heard of the pin/pen thing. Interesting. 

6 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

SMU is holding serve on NIL salaries, and they haven't even gotten any TV revenue money in yet. Didn't they forego it for like 5 or 10 years, something absurd, to join the ACC? I'm not Lashlee wants to be at SMU long term, and I'm not sure he's going to have SMU consistently winning, even in the ACC. But I can make a case it's better positioned to show up in the playoffs than fucking Arkansas. And maybe once they get TV money, life gets easier. 

Well, old man, maybe y'all shouldn't have guaranteed Lincoln Riley 100 million dollars to gargle your collective balls at USC. Something tells me if he'd turned it around, instead of spending much too much time tanning his aztec sun belly tat, you'd be signing a different tune. 

18 year old players were getting paid by a lot of teams before now. Just not as much as now, and under the table. I'm sure you forgot all about Reggie Bush's transgressions, but big time HS recruits that got paid also busted, ala Albert Means.

Basically like all old people, you can't handle change. 

Lashlee can have SMU in position to compete each year in the ACC simply because of outside of Miami and possibly Florida State who exactly is making a case for being the third best team in the ACC?

Maybe GTech, but I am not sure if any human can truly play a full season at quarterback in that offense and not end up beat to shit.  

Clemson?  Dabo is way too young to be being too stubborn to change like Gundy and Patterson you would think, but maybe he is willing to ride that program into the ground.  

VTech? UNC? UVA?  

The one thing Arkansas does offer is a place in one of the two big conferences, but is it worth it if they are going to split a big portion of the revenue off to support basketball and baseball compared to the other SEC schools?

Pine trees might be in every state except Hawaii though.
Just seems way too universal to delineate anything.

Ah, about that… Cook Pines.
6 hours ago, texifornia said:

I was about to say, as the song says North Carolina is "the land of the pines" to the point the state tree is the pine, and it sure as shit isn't Deep South.

Never said anything about the deep south. But yes, NC is obviously a southern state.

Anyway, what Cignetti has done at IU is more impressive than anything Kiffin has ever done. He seems like a complete douche, but most good coaches are. Hopefully he stays in the B10.

18 hours ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

Sorry. 
 

It’s also a crapton of foul smelling chicken farms. 

Texas has (had) a chicken ranch.

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

Freeman almost won a damn national championship last season. Florida may still have a higher ceiling than ND but I'm not sure it's an easy rebuild and like Texas there is a huge CEO component there. Kelly got his ass-kicked three times in the BCSCG and CFP and then LSU backed up the Brinks truck. And so far at LSU he hasn't replicated the same success.

He's nothing without human sacrifice.

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

I'd give Lanning a ring. 

He is pretty dreamy. Maybe put it in a glass of champagne.

13 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Maybe you should have said "States on the periphery of the south that have pine trees are The Deep South." It wouldn't have made your statement any more correct, but at least it wouldn't be forcing you to show back up and move the goalposts further on your absurd take. 

I knew what he meant. I think it's an amusing observation with some truth. I would think that a conversation (increasingly tedious) about the Deep South defined the area he was writing about. I didn't take it that characteristics of the Deep South originated from pine trees, but maybe that's what fucked up Germany for awhile. 

13 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

It's hard to believe that anyone would consider Oxford a more desirable locale than Highland Park.

Really? It's still in fuckin' Mississippi (admittedly, I've never been there)

I've not been to Oxford, but Mississippi outside of a very few locations is a shit hole. I've driven through many times taking different routes. Stick to the Natchez Trace Parkway. It offers  a Zen like drive and you don't see many Mississippians. 

The Deep South is what used to be the Cotton Kingdom: wherever the local economy and most powerful social class depended on the raising or export of cotton sustained by intensive and extractive exploitation of slave labor. Some states that was wide-spread enough to just say they are Deep South: Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina (although not uniformly, parts of Northwest Alabama are very different for instance). It also includes chunks of Arkansas, East Texas, and Galveston/Brazoria County. 

Tobacco Road in Virginia, NC, and parts of Maryland shares important similarities but important differences as the way the crop is raised and marketed— and the origins of the planters— created a different dominant values set and mentality; ditto with Appalachia and places like much of NC where yeoman farmers may have owned enslaved people but worked alongside them to raise food crops for the household. 
 

The Pine Curtain is somewhat of a good secondary indicator. Pines moved into abandoned land either naturally or were planted industrially and thrive in poor soil that was subject to intensive cotton farming. The pre-Cotton South was covered with hardwood forests that would eventually return absent intervention. It’s all still monoculture. 

15 hours ago, Newy25 said:


Please tell me this is sarcasm. Or do I need to look at Canadians much differently now? 

I think he meant Loblolly Pines...

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I've not been to Oxford, but Mississippi outside of a very few locations is a shit hole. I've driven through many times taking different routes. Stick to the Natchez Trace Parkway. It offers  a Zen like drive and you don't see many Mississippians. 

I've been to MS and spent time in Jackson and Biloxi, but never Oxford. The Natchez Trace Pkwy is a serene, pleasant drive. Overall, MS just seems rural and backwards.

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