October 4Oct 4 Author Just now, Pato del Muerto said: So maybe the better qb is actually starting this year also? I know it’s a grim thought. Well if Sark can actually develop KJ we won’t have to play Dia Bell next year. Arch is not the guy unfortunately. All year he’s been dogshit. The lack of run game and bad OL play is also inexcusable too.
October 4Oct 4 1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said: He was 16/29. It wasn't great but with that line and that running game and being behind all game that's probably about as good as it gets. Cool. I still think he just simply is not making enough of the “easy” wide pile throws, holding the ball too long, and not running soon enough. I just simply can’t say “it’s all the OL” and absolve Arch completely.
October 4Oct 4 13 minutes ago, sidis said: These threads are obviously idiotic but FWIW, Caldwell came in cold and threw the best anticipation pass of the game. Wingo wasn’t open when he released it but broke open to the pass precisely how it is drawn up. Perfect anticipation. Which stands in stark contrast to Manning needing at least six seconds in the pocket and someone to break open by ten yards before he throws it. Very frustrating. The announcers said as much. Arch had multiple wide open receivers on the last drive and didn’t pull the trigger. At this point, give him the first quarter or half vs OU and if it’s all the same, let Caldwell play. None reason not to.
October 4Oct 4 Just now, Drew said: Cool. I still think he just simply is not making enough of the “easy” wide pile throws, holding the ball too long, and not running soon enough. I just simply can’t say “it’s all the OL” and absolve Arch completely. Even QBs with great O lines make some dogshit throws. Arch makes some dogshit throws to your point probably one or two too many. He needs to improve. He is not the primary problem with this team. YOU WIN FUCKING FOOTBALL GAMES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL ON THE OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINES.
October 4Oct 4 Caldwell seems fine at throwing footballs to our guys and moving the chains but Arch does a much better job in those Warby Parker commercials than Caldwell would. and has a far superior last name. I see no reason for Caldwell to start until his dad can get at least a little bit famous.
October 4Oct 4 This thread, the OP and a lot of these posts are strange. Arch didn’t play great, but when his line played well in the 4th quarter, he played well. He missed some throws late, and every QB does every game. But he was good except the last few plays. He isn’t in the top 3 of reasons for why we lost. DL in the first half, OL through 3 quarters, and corners getting worked all were significantly worse than Arch. Probably Tre and Sark too. I actually came away encouraged, relative to OSU or UTEP games. He’s not going to be benched, nor should he.
October 4Oct 4 Author Just now, Cruz in Aledo said: This thread, the OP and a lot of these posts are strange. Arch didn’t play great, but when his line played well in the 4th quarter, he played well. He missed some throws late, and every QB does every game. But he was good except the last few plays. He isn’t in the top 3 of reasons for why we lost. DL in the first half, OL through 3 quarters, and corners getting worked all were significantly worse than Arch. Probably Tre and Sark too. I actually came away encouraged, relative to OSU or UTEP games. He’s not going to be benched, nor should he. He missed throws late he missed throws early and mid game as well
October 4Oct 4 3 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said: This thread, the OP and a lot of these posts are strange. Arch didn’t play great, but when his line played well in the 4th quarter, he played well. He missed some throws late, and every QB does every game. But he was good except the last few plays. He isn’t in the top 3 of reasons for why we lost. DL in the first half, OL through 3 quarters, and corners getting worked all were significantly worse than Arch. Probably Tre and Sark too. I actually came away encouraged, relative to OSU or UTEP games. He’s not going to be benched, nor should he. Yeah, but he's not very good.
October 4Oct 4 5 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said: Even QBs with great O lines make some dogshit throws. Arch makes some dogshit throws to your point probably one or two too many. He needs to improve. He is not the primary problem with this team. YOU WIN FUCKING FOOTBALL GAMES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL ON THE OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINES. What I can't understand is how Drew defends Dak religiously but comes after Arch with a fine-toothed comb.
October 4Oct 4 Well if Sark can actually develop KJ we won’t have to play Dia Bell next year. Arch is not the guy unfortunately. All year he’s been dogshit. The lack of run game and bad OL play is also inexcusable too. What in Sark’s time at Texas has shown you he is capable of developing a QB? Because he’s had two 5* QBs that have gotten worse under him.
October 4Oct 4 1 minute ago, ztejas said: What I can't understand is how Drew defends Dak religiously but comes after Arch with a fine-toothed comb. Precisely
October 4Oct 4 3 minutes ago, ztejas said: What I can't understand is how Drew defends Dak religiously but comes after Arch with a fine-toothed comb. You literally don’t watch Dak or the criticism he gets for every single pass and make this rally fucking pathetic Strawman. arch is missing easy fucking throws. Consistently. They are NOT in the same fucking zip code and the comparison is apples to oranges. I even gave arch credit for gaming and making some plays. But no one that isn’t biased is saying “Arch is good enough” right now. even with the piss poor play calling and horrendous OL he’s simply not doing his job. You can never say that about Dak. Edited October 4Oct 4 by Drew
October 4Oct 4 3 minutes ago, Derka said: he has 7 career starts. Maybe it's the bad OL and iffy WR room, but he sure looks like someone who is struggling mightily with routine pass plays.
October 4Oct 4 Just now, Drew said: You literally don’t watch Dak or the criticism he gets for every single pass. arch is missing easy fucking throws. Consistently. They are NOT in the same fucking zip code. I even gave arch credit for gaming and making some plays. But no one that isn’t biased is saying “Arch is good enough” right now. even with the piss poor play calling and horrendous OL he’s simply not doing his job. You can never say that about Dak. A 10 year NFL starter and a guy in his 8th NCAA start are not in the same zip code. No fucking shit.
October 4Oct 4 NIL has changed college football forever. While I don't think Arch should be benched, he needs to understand that he's being paid to perform in moments like this. He knows that. Or at least I hope he knows that.
October 4Oct 4 Author 5 minutes ago, Derka said: he has 7 career starts. His first few starts he looked good unfortunately his last 5 he’s looked like shit
October 4Oct 4 5 minutes ago, David Dennison said: Yeah, but he's not very good. He’s not as ready as anyone thought he was but the talent is clear. He needs to work through these issues, not be benched for another guy. Not going to ever happen, and it shouldn’t.
October 4Oct 4 Just now, Drew said: You literally don’t watch Dak or the criticism he gets for every single pass. arch is missing easy fucking throws. Consistently. They are NOT in the same fucking zip code. I even gave arch credit for gaming and making some plays. But no one that isn’t biased is saying “Arch is good enough” right now. even with the piss poor play calling and horrendous OL he’s simply not doing his job. You can never say that about Dak. You're a fucking dipshit. I watched Dak miss an easy TD throw week 1 against Philly this season that could have won the game. I watch both of them plenty. One of them is 21 and has started 7 or 8 games ever post high school. One of them is making $60M a year and has been playing in the NFL for a decade.
October 4Oct 4 3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said: Precisely Oh shove it. You both know it’s not a 1-1 comparison. Dak will go 35-45 for 300 and 3 TDs and the ONE time he under/overthrows the idiots will say “see, told you can’t do it”. arch is not completely fucking screen passes. Over and under throwing almost every pass. y’all are being disingenuous to support a flawed QB who simply has not been good enough so far. Even if you count the OL issues. Jesus how fucking dare you use this ridiculous argument.
October 4Oct 4 Dak Prescott is getting run on The Athletic for MVP.... I'm not sure what the attempted point to be made was in bringing him up in this thread.
October 4Oct 4 3 minutes ago, Drew said: You literally don’t watch Dak or the criticism he gets for every single pass. arch is missing easy fucking throws. Consistently. They are NOT in the same fucking zip code. I even gave arch credit for gaming and making some plays. But no one that isn’t biased is saying “Arch is good enough” right now. even with the piss poor play calling and horrendous OL he’s simply not doing his job. You can never say that about Dak. I think it’s clear you’re dying on the Dak hill. Which makes you not the most objective poster on the topic. Dak and Arch comparisons are dumb because they play on quite a different level as you know. Arch isn’t good enough now. But I strongly suspect he will be.
October 4Oct 4 1 minute ago, HRSchenker said: NIL has changed college football forever. While I don't think Arch should be benched, he needs to understand that he's being paid to perform in moments like this. He knows that. Or at least I hope he knows that. In this new era, it's portal QB's. Hell, it's portal teams if you can afford it.
October 4Oct 4 1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said: A 10 year NFL starter and a guy in his 8th NCAA start are not in the same zip code. No fucking shit. OMG you’re normally a much better poster than this. you know exactly what I’m talking. Dak is judged on a pass by pass basis. Criticized worse than arch could ever dream of. if you’re gonna sit here with a strait fucking Face and say not only that arch hasn’t been bad, but has been “fine becuase the OL” then you’re damned near as lost on football as futerman. im sorry I wasn’t excuse all his fucking bad play on the OL and Sark. Arch has been a disappointment so far.
October 4Oct 4 2 minutes ago, naija said: Dak Prescott is getting run on The Athletic for MVP.... I'm not sure what the attempted point to be made was in bringing him up in this thread. It's not the QB, it's the poster.
October 5Oct 5 5 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said: I think it’s clear you’re dying on the Dak hill. Which makes you not the most objective poster on the topic. Dak and Arch comparisons are dumb because they play on quite a different level as you know. Arch isn’t good enough now. But I strongly suspect he will be. Which is fine I don’t give a shit. But don’t use my defense if Dak, what he deserves, to discredit my legitimate criticism of Arch Edited October 5Oct 5 by Drew
October 5Oct 5 Just now, Drew said: OMG you’re normally a much better poster than this. you know exactly what I’m talking. Dak is judged on a pass by pass basis. Criticized worse than arch could ever dream of. if you’re gonna sit here with a strait fucking Face and say not only that arch hasn’t been bad, but has been “fine becuase the OL” then you’re damned near as lost on football as futerman. im sorry I wasn’t excuse all his fucking bad play on the OL and Sark. Arch has been a disappointment so far. Ok Drew... I never said Arch has been great. It's just curious your LONG leash for Dak is so short for a guy who clearly is dealing with dogshit around him.
October 5Oct 5 Just now, Surly Bevo said: It's not the QB, it's the poster. Grow the fuck up. if my Dak defense automatically makes my legitimate concerns over arch wrong in your opinion then the problem is YOU. Not me.
October 5Oct 5 Just now, Drew said: Grow the fuck up. if my Dak defense automatically makes my legitimate concerns over arch wrong in your opinion then the problem is YOU. Not me. Ok, whatever...
October 5Oct 5 Just now, Surly Bevo said: Ok Drew... I never said Arch has been great. It's just curious your LONG leash for Dak is so short for a guy who clearly is dealing with dogshit around him. Because they’re not the same fucking QB. Dak has NEVER been this fucking bad for this long. Dak doesn’t miss wide open players consistently, doesn’t take sacks he shouldn’t consistently. If you think they’re the same thing the issue is you. I mean again.
October 5Oct 5 3 hours ago, Zeus said: Or Lacey or anyone else He did have some decent plays but I do not believe in him at all. I wish I was wrong and it makes me sad to the point of more drinking. Edited October 5Oct 5 by PhillyHorn1
October 5Oct 5 Just now, Surly Bevo said: Ok, whatever... You condescending piece of shit. You call me out and then act like you’re better than this.
October 5Oct 5 1 minute ago, Drew said: 2 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said: Ok, whatever... You condescending piece of shit. You call me out and then act like you’re better than this. Ok
October 5Oct 5 2 minutes ago, ztejas said: What I can't understand is how Drew defends Dak religiously but comes after Arch with a fine-toothed comb. As I was telling @hobbes2702 during the game. Arch is always looking for the long ball. I think the only check down he threw was the crossing route to the TE early in the game. He is holding the ball forever, and as such we cannot sustain drives. Hobbes said the progression was deep to short. I told him EVERY play that has multiple routes requires you to hold the ball for longer routes to develop. However, you have to know what you are looking at pre snap. If you walk up to the line and see a two high shell, you know what you are looking at, and you know what it can morph into. If you have a curl call on the outside it will be available. What Quinn was good at is walking to the line, knowing his options, and getting the football out quickly.
October 5Oct 5 11 minutes ago, ztejas said: You're a fucking dipshit. I watched Dak miss an easy TD throw week 1 against Philly this season that could have won the game. I watch both of them plenty. One of them is 21 and has started 7 or 8 games ever post high school. One of them is making $60M a year and has been playing in the NFL for a decade. You saw him miss one fucking throw? I don’t remember that hat I sure as shit saw 4 dropped passes 3 of them were TDs. Not sure I saw a missed TD throw. but I saw not one not two but possibly 3 missed TD passes by arch. PLUS several more that are easy completions. you are comparing a guy that gets unfairly criticized despite a decade of evidence that he’s at worst a good QB, to a guy who we literally have 4 games of evidence he can’t be consistent at all. Im sorry im not going to ignore that cause I defend Dak against way more ridiculous complaints. Edited October 5Oct 5 by Drew
October 5Oct 5 10 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said: He’s not as ready as anyone thought he was but the talent is clear. He needs to work through these issues, not be benched for another guy. Not going to ever happen, and it shouldn’t. then we write off this entire season while Arch gets comfy.
October 5Oct 5 42 minutes ago, nineliveslost said: now we really know why he didnt well if you believe most on this board it was only because Sark was stupid and made commitments to the Ewers family. No way it could have been that he actually knows more than a bunch of message board posters, and wanted to give the team the best chance to win. Of course now, he is still stupid and only starting Arch due to last name and NIL. No way he knows more than a bunch of message board posters.
October 5Oct 5 30 minutes ago, nycHorn said: Guys guys guys…both the O-line and Arch can both suck. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Thats why this team is so special. Combine what the OL sucks at (everything), what Arch sucks at (quick reads, throwing the ball under pressure), and here we are. How on earth we don't have more "Take the snap, get the ball out" stuff is beyond me, considering that's kind of all we did 2023-2024.
October 5Oct 5 14 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said: He’s not as ready as anyone thought he was but the talent is clear. He needs to work through these issues, not be benched for another guy. Not going to ever happen, and it shouldn’t. Talent WRT accuracy and completing routine passes is not at all clear at this point.
October 5Oct 5 Manning will start until he has some type of 4 or 5 turnover game where it is obviously all him. Sark is tied to Manning. If he fails or transfers it is a huge marketing(recruiting) debacle for Sark.
October 5Oct 5 23 minutes ago, Derka said: he has 7 career starts. And of those 7, two have been good?
October 5Oct 5 21 minutes ago, David Dennison said: Maybe it's the bad OL and iffy WR room, but he sure looks like someone who is struggling mightily with routine pass plays. yeah i mean he hasn’t been great, but it’s premature to write him off.
October 5Oct 5 2 minutes ago, Derka said: yeah i mean he hasn’t been great, but it’s premature to write him off. No one has done that. Contrary to what some have said. All I’ve said is I’m not absolving him of blame. He’s been very mediocre and Even worse at times and simply isn’t good enough right NOW. That’s not against he can’t be or won’t be. But he hasn’t been yet.
October 5Oct 5 2 minutes ago, Drew said: No one has done that i literally quoted someone who said, “he’s not the guy.” how else would you characterize that? beyond that, lots of people here have written him off, there’s an entire thread about how arch should be benched with plenty of support for the idea. so uh, you’re wrong.
October 5Oct 5 I would think they mean right now. But maybe they truly think he has not shot. That’s not me. I hope he can be that guy. sark won’t sit him so we need him to be.
October 5Oct 5 He will get a chance. Arch is going to get hurt at some point due to the oline. Absolutely.
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