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Apple has begun giving secret “trust scores” to users based on how they use their devices.

The firm said that it has begun tracking the number of phone calls and emails sent and received from iPhones and Apple TVs to create a measure of trustworthiness.

The scores could help Apple tackle fraud by tracking fake reviews and spam App Store accounts. However, Apple has refused to reveal the exact reasons why it is collecting the data. 

Apple’s new policy was shown in the legal agreement for its iOS 12 software update, which was released on Monday.

The agreement reads: “To help identify and prevent fraud, information about how you use your device, including the approximate number of phone calls or emails you send and receive, will be used to compute a device trust score when you attempt a purchase.”

“The submissions are designed so Apple cannot learn the real values on your device. The scores are stored for a fixed time on our servers.”

This is the first time that Apple has told its customers about assigning trust scores, and it is unclear how the number of phone calls or emails will help determine them. 

The trust scores themselves are calculated on Apple devices, and the score sent to the company cannot be used to identify an individual user or whom they have contacted. The scores are not used to target adverts.

Tracking customer behaviour is a strange development for Apple, which has publicly criticised the user-tracking business models of other large US technology businesses such as Google and Facebook.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-gives-users-secret-apos-110955423.html

It seems perfectly normal to have your trustworthiness decided by the manufacturer of your consumer cellular device.

7 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

It seems perfectly normal to have your trustworthiness decided by the manufacturer of your consumer cellular device.

Apple is not just an electronics manufacturer. 

Its also becoming its own bank.

Apple is not just an electronics manufacturer. 
Its also becoming its own bank.


Also a world power.

Guess I'll get a Google Pixel, they'd never do anything like that....

Edited by clapclapclap
I just made the list, buddy.

29 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Guess I'll get a Google Pixel, they'd never do anything like that....

 

csb time:

A 25 year old with a greasy comb-over brought me my work laptop after doing some "upgrades" (whatever that means). He said "I noticed you use Firefox as your web browser. The boss (meaning the head IT guy) only wants us to use Google Chrome on all company machines."

Sure dude, I'll get right on that.

30 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

csb time:

A 25 year old with a greasy comb-over brought me my work laptop after doing some "upgrades" (whatever that means). He said "I noticed you use Firefox as your web browser. The boss (meaning the head IT guy) only wants us to use Google Chrome on all company machines."

Sure dude, I'll get right on that.

IT boss is more concerned with security than individual users' privacy and probably believes Chrome to be more secure. He's not viewing the leaking of browser data to Google as a breach, he's more concerned about bad actors exploiting weaknesses in Firefox to do nefarious or mischievous things.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, they're disclosing the fact that they're performing this tracking, probably trying to shape the optics. On the other hand, what the hell is a trustworthiness score, how is it calculated, and what is it used for specifically? I know what it said in the article but that was all vague product manager speak that doesn't actually explain anything.

 

 

12 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

 

Sounds to me like 2018 is like 1984

So forward thinking to use a Hooters girl in the ad.

9 hours ago, longhornsftmfw said:

IT boss is more concerned with security than individual users' privacy and probably believes Chrome to be more secure. He's not viewing the leaking of browser data to Google as a breach, he's more concerned about bad actors exploiting weaknesses in Firefox to do nefarious or mischievous things.

 

 

 

 

Is this correct? Anybody know?

1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Is this correct? Anybody know?

Many studies and security scoring systems rank them the highest. Note that we're talking about straight up security, not privacy, as there's a difference. A browser can be secure from bad actors but still leak your data to the company that develops the browser, and many rankings separate the two. Firefox is typically viewed as being more private but less secure.

Every breath you take

Every move you make

Every vow you break

Every thing you fake

Apple's watching you

It always feels like somebody's watching me.

Edited by Thetexashammer

I’m so deep in the system I don’t even care. 

Remember when the all the Apple Sheep told us how Microsoft was the evil empire?

I’m just an average man with an average life

I work from nine to five, hell I pay the price

All I want is to be left alone in my average home

But why do I always feel like I’m in the twilight zone and.....?

This facial ID key is going into the NSA cloud for use with facial recognition tools. 

 

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Most Fridays I meet a few Friends at Hooters for a couple of beers.  Today as I’m leaving work I grab my phone to text someone and get the message “11 minutes to Hooters. Traffic is light”.

Private eyes are watching you. They see your every move. 

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20 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


Go on

Full control over your browser.  Selectively enable or disable Javascript from any source including google analytics, doubleclick/adsense, etc.  Security + privacy.

Most Fridays I meet a few Friends at Hooters for a couple of beers.  Today as I’m leaving work I grab my phone to text someone and get the message “11 minutes to Hooters. Traffic is light”.


Yeah this doesn’t surprise me. I bet you have location services enabled and WiFi on most of the time, so Apple is constantly getting the GPS data from your phone and logging it. Then they can analyze that data for trends and send you notifications. The questions I have are what else are they doing with that data, and how secure is it? I’m hoping they go to great lengths to secure it, but is that secure enough? Imagine some tens of millions of users having their location data breached, whoever ends up with that data would be able to analyze it and discern the location of your home, work, the restaurants you like most, where your mistress lives, etc.

If you’re looking for a job of the future, security engineer is a pretty safe one that pays fairly well. No CR but this is also why our enemies are constantly trying to penetrate our top tech companies. The data they own is powerful enough to win a Cold War if used “properly”.

if you are any way connected, then there are companies who have a shitton of data on you.  there's absolutely no way to avoid that. 

you can mitigate some of it with VPN, burner phones, burner/spam email accounts, use diff browsers, don't sign in, etc.  but there are some core companies that no matter what you do, they can know a shitton about you.

apple for the apple eco system; microsoft if using windows; google if using android, google apps; your isp; your telecom/cell provider; your credit card company; the companies behind your IoT devices, probably your wireless router company, your tolltag company, your tollboth operators, and on and on.

they don't care specifically about you.  you just want to monetize you.  however, as mentioned above, hackers and people who work in these companies may have complete access to your info.  who knows what these individuals can and want to do with it.  

it's a trust/illusion thing.

let me add that if you use virus or malware software, then those companies also know your surfing (pegging and necrophilia obsession).  

They know I prefer a specific peanut butter brand.  Please for the love of god get it right because jiffy and the like are crap. 

1 hour ago, Doc Holliday said:

They know I prefer a specific peanut butter brand.  Please for the love of god get it right because jiffy and the like are crap. 

Can you recommend a nice artisanal aged one?

On 9/21/2018 at 7:48 AM, bernorange said:

Firefox + NoScript = awesomeness

+ privacy badger

 

 

Most Fridays I meet a few Friends at Hooters for a couple of beers.  Today as I’m leaving work I grab my phone to text someone and get the message “11 minutes to Hooters. Traffic is light”.

 

 

 

You need to restrict premissions on your grindr app.

 

 

He’s a gimp. Why would he want to do that?

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3 hours ago, elfenix said:

+ privacy badger

Thanks. Wasn't ware of that even though I am familiar with the EFF.  They do good work.

12 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Can you recommend a nice artisanal aged one?

Is it hand crafted? Because I only want a peanut butter made of non-GMO, gluten-free peanuts curated by the chefs every morning at the peanut market. 

10 hours ago, Superhero said:

Is it hand crafted? Because I only want a peanut butter made of non-GMO, gluten-free peanuts curated by the chefs every morning at the peanut market. 

And cage free.

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