October 19Oct 19 Popular Post last year when arch looked athletic, dynamic, and like someone who might live up to his otherworldly hype, we still never benched quinn even though he couldn’t move the chains against the likes of kentucky, vandy, a&m, and arizona state, and that was with a wildly superior supporting cast. he’s not going to bench arch now with absolutely nobody on the bench or in the pipeline who looks ready to take over. benching quinn would have taken balls. benching arch would take stupidity. it would basically be sark waving the white flag on his career at Texas. it’s not happening.
October 19Oct 19 Popular Post If he hasn't developed arch what makes you think he was spending time with the back ups? The real question is does he have the nuts to hire an OC and/or fire flood?
October 19Oct 19 The first mistake in this hypothetical is to assume the backup QB is the answer. The second is to assume Sark will admit his inability to develop two #1 rated QBs by benching them. There is a reason some coaches never win championships despite being pretty good coaches.
October 19Oct 19 Just now, Coach pop a bitch said: If he hasn't developed arch what makes you think he was spending time with the back ups? The real question is does he have the nuts to hire an OC and/or fire flood? Yeah, those are the first questions. I kind of assume that the QB room receives instruction mostly as a group. But I suppose the QB getting most of the practice reps also gets the most instruction on a 1 on 1 basis. I can understand keeping Arch QB1 for the rest of the season to see if the switch ever comes on, but then opening the position to competition.
October 19Oct 19 Speaking of Sark and balls... does Loreal know that Sark had a vasectomy a couple of years ago? Maybe that's just another baseless internet rumor, though.
October 19Oct 19 My jaw would completely hit the floor. The implications for what that would mean are hard to imagine. I think it’s very likely the case Sark and Arch are completely tied at the hip. If it was announced that Sark is sitting Arch, I would almost assume Cooper has told Sark to shelf Arch and that they’re transferring out.
October 19Oct 19 7 minutes ago, BlackCat said: My jaw would completely hit the floor. The implications for what that would mean are hard to imagine. I think it’s very likely the case Sark and Arch are completely tied at the hip. If it was announced that Sark is sitting Arch, I would almost assume Cooper has told Sark to shelf Arch and that they’re transferring out. So? Who cares? Only half of 5* QBs amount to anything.
October 19Oct 19 54 minutes ago, Vermin said: So? Who cares? Only half of 5* QBs amount to anything. A ton of money was raised to put pieces around Arch specifically. That was the pitch. It would mean we are doing a reset and a ton went into all of this.
October 19Oct 19 he doesn't have the balls to hire a fucking offensive coordinator for fuck sake, let alone change fucking anything, at all
October 19Oct 19 I think the better question is, if Arch doesn’t progress by season end to the point he can legitimately lead us to conference championship and national championship contention next year, does Sark open up the qb position for a true competition to be qb#1. I personally never believed this was the year to compete for any championship, more a transition year to get Arch and the young, but talented roster to develop around him, and to be dominant next year. After yesterday’s game and clear regression (or, maybe OU was the anomaly and this is who he really is) I’m ready for Arch to portal or not be guaranteed the starter position next year and go find a portal qb. Edited October 19Oct 19 by Fat Bastard
October 19Oct 19 To add, there’s not a soul anywhere who can convince me there isn’t a qb on the roster who can’t throw it more accurately or make better decisions than Arch. If that’s the case, Sark should be fired solely based off of horrible qb talent evaluation and development (which I don’t think is the case). This is 100% Simms II (favoritism/optics) except there isn’t a proven, reliable qb on the roster who should be playing in lieu of Arch.
October 19Oct 19 20 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said: To add, there’s not a soul anywhere who can convince me there isn’t a qb on the roster who can’t throw it more accurately or make better decisions than Arch. If that’s the case, Sark should be fired solely based off of horrible qb talent evaluation and development (which I don’t think is the case). This is 100% Simms II (favoritism/optics) except there isn’t a proven, reliable qb on the roster who should be playing in lieu of Arch. I think the issue is trying to sort whether Arch is going to "get it" and be viable for next year or not.
October 19Oct 19 To be “viable” for next year he needs to display otherwordly talent progression these last 6-7 games. What makes you think the light will come on that fast? His OL play this year has been abhorrent, I freely admit that, and we have no dominant stud at RB, but in the few chances he’s had every game with a clean pocket, he’s had some inexcusably errant throws
October 19Oct 19 31 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said: To be “viable” for next year he needs to display otherwordly talent progression these last 6-7 games. What makes you think the light will come on that fast? His OL play this year has been abhorrent, I freely admit that, and we have no dominant stud at RB, but in the few chances he’s had every game with a clean pocket, he’s had some inexcusably errant throws No doubt. I don't think it will. But it could and playing out the season resolves most doubt. As opposed to benching him now permanently or sporadically followed by open competition in the spring and summer. Edited October 19Oct 19 by TwiceHorn
October 19Oct 19 We have an off week coming. Assume we lose one of the two games before the off week, assume Sark tells Cooper after Vandy game he's going to open QB position to competition during off week. That would give Cooper and Arch plenty of time to decide if they want to stay or go. None of the above is likely to happen, except maybe losing one game. What should happen is hiring an OC, and others know much better than I if the OL coach needs to go or not.
October 19Oct 19 49 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said: but in the few chances he’s had every game with a clean pocket, he’s had some inexcusably errant throws What is Sark seeing in practice? Did they play pattycake this entire summer camp, so he had no idea Arch was so inconsistent?
October 19Oct 19 1 hour ago, Fat Bastard said: To add, there’s not a soul anywhere who can convince me there isn’t a qb on the roster who can’t throw it more accurately or make better decisions than Arch. If that’s the case, Sark should be fired solely based off of horrible qb talent evaluation and development (which I don’t think is the case). This is 100% Simms II (favoritism/optics) except there isn’t a proven, reliable qb on the roster who should be playing in lieu of Arch. I see what you’re saying but I’d give up everything for Chris Simms level play right now.
October 19Oct 19 Well, the million dollar question that none of us have insight to is what the rest of the QB room looks like in practice and whether they give you a better chance to win. Do you think Caldwell, Owens, or Lacey elevates this offense to the point that winning out is possible? I personally don't, and in that sense it could be reasonable to try to have Arch play through the struggles if you see potential there on the other side. Of course, if you're serious about winning games this season, you probably do have to give someone else the ball because it truly almost cannot get worse, but I don't think we are at this point. This isn't a CFP level team, just don't have it on offense. So it seems to me the hope is Arch grows from this and can lead a better unit next season. Beyond that,we're obviously not benhing Arch anyway just given the politics and narrative of th whole situation. Honestly I think it's likely we ride or die with him until next season, and if he still sucks by this time next year maybe you see Lacey when we're out of contention.
October 20Oct 20 6 hours ago, gmr548 said: Well, the million dollar question that none of us have insight to is what the rest of the QB room looks like in practice and whether they give you a better chance to win. Do you think Caldwell, Owens, or Lacey elevates this offense to the point that winning out is possible? I personally don't, and in that sense it could be reasonable to try to have Arch play through the struggles if you see potential there on the other side. Of course, if you're serious about winning games this season, you probably do have to give someone else the ball because it truly almost cannot get worse, but I don't think we are at this point. This isn't a CFP level team, just don't have it on offense. So it seems to me the hope is Arch grows from this and can lead a better unit next season. Beyond that,we're obviously not benhing Arch anyway just given the politics and narrative of th whole situation. Honestly I think it's likely we ride or die with him until next season, and if he still sucks by this time next year maybe you see Lacey when we're out of contention. I don't think we have much choice but to ride or die with Arch, because I don't believe we have anyone else ready to play at a high level. This is Arch's season, for better or for worse. Mostly worse, so far.
October 20Oct 20 A benching wouldn't be some badass, big balls move. It would be kinda chickenshit actually. A flop em out move would be to fire the OC.
October 20Oct 20 The fact they watched Arch Saturday night moss throw after throw and not put Caldwell in, who ripped the best pass of the game against Florida the one chance he got, tells me Sark will die. sark is too arrogant to bench arch.
October 20Oct 20 11 hours ago, Coach pop a bitch said: If he hasn't developed arch what makes you think he was spending time with the back ups? The real question is does he have the nuts to hire an OC and/or fire flood? His backups threw better than Arch vs. Kentucky in high school and the current #2 has more years in college than Arch. Melon head doesn’t need to develop #2, he just needs to insert him into the game. He doesn’t have to be amazing, he just needs to be competent. Arch is currently incompetent and one of the worst QBs in the Power 4.
October 20Oct 20 Speaking of Sark and balls... does Loreal know that Sark had a vasectomy a couple of years ago? Maybe that's just another baseless internet rumor, though.
October 20Oct 20 Sarks in a can’t win position. Bench Arch and you look like a non qb whisperer. Let him transfer and watch him do well somewhere else and someone else is whispering better. Only hope is if Arch ends up being great and tha looks dubious. Teamwise it may be best to let Arch walk, hand the job to Lacey, redshirt Bell. If Lacey is not ready, portal someone like Mendoza. 8 hours ago, CurlyDumps said: A benching wouldn't be some badass, big balls move. It would be kinda chickenshit actually. A flop em out move would be to fire the OC. Sark is the OC
October 20Oct 20 18 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: 8 hours ago, CurlyDumps said: A flop em out move would be to fire the OC. Sark is the OC Thus, the ultimate in ballsy accountability.
October 20Oct 20 19 hours ago, Coach pop a bitch said: If he hasn't developed arch what makes you think he was spending time with the back ups? The real question is does he have the nuts to hire an OC and/or fire flood? Ding, ding, fucking DING!
October 20Oct 20 17 hours ago, Fat Bastard said: To add, there’s not a soul anywhere who can convince me there isn’t a qb on the roster who can’t throw it more accurately or make better decisions than Arch. If that’s the case, Sark should be fired solely based off of horrible qb talent evaluation and development (which I don’t think is the case). This is 100% Simms II (favoritism/optics) except there isn’t a proven, reliable qb on the roster who should be playing in lieu of Arch. There were so many moments during Quinn’s tenure here where I thought the same. Some unbelievably awful play and he actually played with guys like Mitchell, worthy, brooks , golden. Arch doesn’t have anyone like that. Not defending Arch as he’s had three unacceptable games.
October 20Oct 20 There is too much money tied up in Arch. That’s going to be a problem with NIL going forward with big name players at big programs. It’s going to be too much pressure to bench a guy that makes more money than everyone on campus except the head coach.
October 20Oct 20 At this point, play his like Vandy plays Pavia. Get him out of the pocket and let him run. Not these obvious delayed draw runs, but get him in space where it actually seem Arch does better off the cuff.
October 20Oct 20 Just now, Vanilla Strange Gato said: There is too much money tied up in Arch. That’s going to be a problem with NIL going forward with big name players at big programs. It’s going to be too much pressure to bench a guy that makes more money than everyone on campus except the head coach. How much are they going to lose after a bad season or two? It's just hubris. Sark has too much invested in his "prize" and he's going to fix it......
October 20Oct 20 How much are they going to lose after a bad season or two? It's just hubris. Sark has too much invested in his "prize" and he's going to be “forced” to fix it...... Fify
October 20Oct 20 38 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: At this point, play his like Vandy plays Pavia. Get him out of the pocket and let him run. Not these obvious delayed draw runs, but get him in space where it actually seem Arch does better off the cuff. That would require Sark to change his offense / scheme which he apparently can only do for Oklahoma or at the pace of continental drift.
October 20Oct 20 44 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: How much are they going to lose after a bad season or two? It's just hubris. Sark has too much invested in his "prize" and he's going to fix it...... Yea I do believe it’s an ego thing for Sark. “The Mannings picked me!!”
October 21Oct 21 I think of the time Rattler was playing like ass in Dallas. Not unlike Arch these days. Riley benched his ass in the middle of the game for Caleb Williams. And won Nick Saban benched Super Bowl winning Jalen Fucking Hurts in the middle of a game for Tua. And won. That’s what it takes sometimes. but we don’t do that. Edited October 21Oct 21 by tbone_
October 21Oct 21 2 minutes ago, tbone_ said: I think of the time Rattler was playing like ass in Dallas. Not unlike Arch these days. Riley benched his ass in the middle of the game for Caleb Williams. And won Nick Saban benched Super Bowl winning Jalen Fucking Hurts in the middle of a game for Tua. And won. That’s what it takes sometimes. but we don’t do that. See this post.
October 21Oct 21 On 10/19/2025 at 3:21 PM, Fat Bastard said: To add, there’s not a soul anywhere who can convince me there isn’t a qb on the roster who can’t throw it more accurately or make better decisions than Arch. If that’s the case, Sark should be fired solely based off of horrible qb talent evaluation and development (which I don’t think is the case). This is 100% Simms II (favoritism/optics) except there isn’t a proven, reliable qb on the roster who should be playing in lieu of Arch. Lol comparing Arch Manning's play to Chris Simms. 25 years later and people are still morons about Simms. Edited October 21Oct 21 by Huckleberry
October 21Oct 21 Sark treating starting positions like lifetime achievement awards for good kids that graduate reminds me of Mack. Only when the season is lost do we have the freedom to play the best players and start winning again.
October 22Oct 22 3 hours ago, Huckleberry said: Lol comparing Arch Manning's play to Chris Simms. 25 years later and people are still morons about Simms. When did I compare his play to Simms, dipshit? Clearly I wrote favoritism/optics as the similarities, but I guess reading is hard Edited October 22Oct 22 by Fat Bastard
October 22Oct 22 On 10/19/2025 at 4:44 PM, gmr548 said: Do you think Caldwell, Owens, or Lacey elevates this offense to the point that winning out is possible? No. This thread is stupid. OP insists upon himself.
October 22Oct 22 To me the problem is that Arch looks good some games and bad in others. Figuring out why he was so good against OU and so bad against KY would be my mission if I were Sark.
October 22Oct 22 9 hours ago, Bullneck said: To me the problem is that Arch looks good some games and bad in others. Figuring out why he was so good against OU and so bad against KY would be my mission if I were Sark. 6.1 ypa isn't "so good"
October 22Oct 22 11 hours ago, Bullneck said: To me the problem is that Arch looks good some games and bad in others. Figuring out why he was so good against OU and so bad against KY would be my mission if I were Sark. They ran the Quinn offense vs ou. Safer passes etc frustrating thing about arch is he’s not reckless, maybe that’s a fault but he just misses too many layups
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