November 6Nov 6 9 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said: Sabotage? I'd guess catastrophic failure in the compressor section that blew or sawed off the front of the engine.
November 6Nov 6 I worked at UPS for a long time and know a lot of people, nobody in Louisville though. It's going around that the plane in question was pulled out of service last year and recently put back into service also that it supposedly had some sort of engine troubles the day before the flight. Could be total bullshit. The attempts upthread to tie this accident to the government shutdown aren't the only ones politicizing this. UPS cut 48,000 jobs in the last year alone and have brought forward many other cost cutting measures that are extremely unpopular with the rank and file. Just thinking from a logistical standpoint I know package volume has been running at almost half of covid high levels, so Im not sure why they would need to press a shoddy plane into service
November 6Nov 6 29 minutes ago, cmontexas said: out of service last year and recently put back into service also that it supposedly had some sort of engine troubles the day before the flight. Earlier this evening Anderson Cooper had a guest on who reported and reiterated that its been confirmed with investigators on site there were no maintenance issues with the plane that day. That stood out to me because there was comment in this thread about the plane having issues earlier that day. Edited November 6Nov 6 by Incredulity
November 6Nov 6 Earlier this evening Anderson Cooper had a guest on who reported and reiterated that its been confirmed with investigators on site there were no maintenance issues with the plane that day. That stood out to me because there was comment in this thread about the plane having issues earlier that day.Never believe anything you hear about a crash for at least 24 hours. Seeing is another story.
November 6Nov 6 9 hours ago, Chad Fuck said: Never believe anything you hear about a crash for at least 24 hours. Seeing is another story. Ironically this was yesterday evening so like exactly 24 hrs. As CS notes it could certainly be word twisting and of course always be skeptical. I just thought it was worth sharing that.
November 6Nov 6 Ironically this was yesterday evening so like exactly 24 hrs. As CS notes it could certainly be word twisting and of course always be skeptical. I just thought it was worth sharing that. I get it. It’s human nature to speculate, and it wouldn’t be the Surl if we didn’t. Myself included. I’m just saying speculation is all it is at the outset. Rarely do you get solid facts beyond “the plane crashed and the crew is dead.” That much we can see with our own eyes.
November 6Nov 6 On 11/5/2025 at 11:44 AM, Pato del Muerto said: You sure that’s not a Kentucky processed raccoon franchise?
November 7Nov 7 Quote Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg said crews are working to identify 12 victims from the UPS cargo plane crash earlier this week while the search continues for nine others reported missing. The bodies of the victims have been removed from the wreckage site by the Jefferson County Coroner's Office, and officials are working to positively identify each of the victims. The mayor said Thursday morning that crews have located six of 15 people reported missing after the crash, but the mangled wreckage in the area of the crash has made the search more difficult. As of 6 p.m. Thursday, 13 people had died from the crash. https://www.wdrb.com/news/ntsb-releases-final-altitude-speed-of-ups-plane-that-crashed-leaving-louisvilles-airport/article_aa33fc78-18ef-420f-b781-e702b8be2957.html
November 7Nov 7 On 11/6/2025 at 10:07 AM, Rip76 said: Holy Crap. GTA 6 looks like it's going to be worth this latest delay.
November 7Nov 7 NTSB says based on video they have the pylon was still attached to wing after the engine came off. That means it’s a different failure scenario than AA 191. They've asked for maintenance records from ST Aviation in San Antonio where the airplane had its last heavy check (and therefore where the engines would have been removed). They also said the takeoff roll was normal until 37 seconds into it when a persistent bell started going off on CVR. The bell lasted for the remaining 25 seconds of the flight. They did not say this but per Google an engine fire will trigger a warning bell. On these older airplanes there is a fire loop which is essentially a metallic circuit that melts and breaks the circuit when there is a fire (and is the source of a lot of nuisance alarms.) interesting to see from wreckage if the fire handle was pulled although it probably wouldn’t have mattered since there wasn’t enough airspeed to recover and the fire bottles would be on the runway Edited November 7Nov 7 by ClubWhatever
November 8Nov 8 Yeah I think I heard that wrong. Now I think he said the pylon was attached to engine and came off with engine. That is the AA 191 scenario. The way he says it is confusing to me so I am not sure.
November 8Nov 8 Yeah I think I heard that wrong. Now I think he said the pylon was attached to engine and came off with engine. That is the AA 191 scenario. The way he says it is confusing to me so I am not sure.I understood it this way.
November 8Nov 8 Last line of this article blurb quotes the NTSB as pylon structure still attached to wing. Quote
November 8Nov 8 Saw earlier that UPS world port processes 2 million packages a day and is 6% of GDPBetween that being shutdown and now grounding these planes that is going to be a major disruption in shipping/logistics
November 20Nov 20 Fucking hell. Looks like complete engine/pylon separation happened FIRST. That is, the engine didn't blow and have its disintegration cause structural failures - looks like the structural failure happened, causing the catastrophic damage on its own. And yeah, they were already nose-up and almost airborne.....no possible time or way to abort takeoff. Furk.
November 20Nov 20 Holy shit. Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it? wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine? Edited November 20Nov 20 by Pato del Muerto
November 20Nov 20 4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said: Man, looks just like AA 191. Yep, stressed pylon failure. 4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: Holy shit. Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it? wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine? I mean, I also think that on a 4 engine bird, having two engines side-by-side creates a similar risk (truly catastrophic failure not confined to the engine housing can take out the other engine), so there's no perfect solution for a more-than-2-engine plane.
November 20Nov 20 2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said: Yep, stressed pylon failure. I mean, I also think that on a 4 engine bird, having two engines side-by-side creates a similar risk (truly catastrophic failure not confined to the engine housing can take out the other engine), so there's no perfect solution for a more-than-2-engine plane. That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while. It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s. The economy of two engines has been well proven.
November 20Nov 20 1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said: That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while. It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s. The economy of two engines has been well proven. Yep. Nobody is making a 4-engine bird anymore, are they? There are still plenty of such planes in service, but no new ones, right?
November 20Nov 20 2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said: Yep. Nobody is making a 4-engine bird anymore, are they? There are still plenty of such planes in service, but no new ones, right? A380? I see production stopped in 2021 so I guess not. Edited November 20Nov 20 by Pato del Muerto
November 20Nov 20 29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: Holy shit. Did the pylon separation rip open the fuel bladder in the wing and then ignite it? wouldn’t one consider it an engineering flaw for one engine to be located behind the other two, making it more likely that a catastrophic engine failure from a wing engine would affect the tail engine? I don’t think the engine failure being caused by the engine completely departing the airplane, or an un contained blade failure in the case of a 4 engine aircraft, and the subsequent collateral damage are considered when designing the aircraft to fly after losing a motor. It’s assumed that there’s a simple loss of power, and all the big pieces are still attached to the plane.
November 20Nov 20 35 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said: Man, looks just like AA 191. Fun fact: this photograph I posted in the Shit Kids thread where the Doomlet illegibly wrote "SHIT" in the sand volleyball courts was taken more or less where AA 191 hit the ground. There's a memorial a couple hundred feet away.
November 20Nov 20 37 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said: Man, looks just like AA 191. Different cause same results. But yeah. All the three fan trash cans are grounded now. This has been circulating too.
November 20Nov 20 1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said: That's true, but no one has designed and built a tri-jet in a while. It was all the rage in the 60s...just like tai-motors were a thing in the late 20s/early 30s. The economy of two engines has been well proven. Dassault is still making 900s, it's an s-duct though.
November 20Nov 20 1 hour ago, HiggyBaby said: Different cause same results. But yeah. All the three fan trash cans are grounded now. This has been circulating too. That seems...sub-optimal. Really is gonna end up being a lot like AA 191, isn't it? Maybe not caused by a maintenance procedure, but consistent pylon stress of some sort leading to failure, systemically.
November 20Nov 20 if that really IS a picture of the pylon... holy fking shit... how the HELL was that not noticed before. I know from the disaster plane crash shows that products that are supposed to be under a lot of stress are supposed to be visually inspected, along with spraying a UV light sensitive solution that glows on hidden stress cracks. a crack that bad means no one has inspected that piece for a very very long time.
November 20Nov 20 22 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said: know from the disaster plane crash shows that products that are supposed to be under a lot of stress are supposed to be visually inspected, Look, you don't get 27 seasons of "Air Disasters" if people are doing their jobs. Someone needs to look into whether or not the producers are paying off the maintenance guys.
November 20Nov 20 14 minutes ago, Deej said: Look, you don't get 27 seasons of "Air Disasters" if people are doing their jobs. Someone needs to look into whether or not the producers are paying off the maintenance guys. Just like the Jesus Candle and cheap stuffed animal industries are bankrolling drunk drivers, and the black cotton t-shirt cartel is secretly promoting heavy metal bands.
November 21Nov 21 8 hours ago, HiggyBaby said: Different cause same results. But yeah. All the three fan trash cans are grounded now. This has been circulating too. Gonna need more tape than that to hold it together
November 21Nov 21 The last inspection was 4 years ago. The cracks were on the inside of the lugs where the bearing is, but away from the exposed face. No way to see them even if the pylon is removed. The bearing would have to be removed too so you can see the entire hole. Will be interesting to see what the inspection actually called for. I’d wager the bearing was not removed. Also, the cracks seem pretty small for there to be complete failure. It looked like there was less than 20% of the material cracked when it let go. Doesn’t seem like a very robust design.
November 21Nov 21 7 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said: Feels like the plane graveyards about to get a lot more MD-11s Living close to ORD, I won't miss the high-pitched whine from their engines that seems to carry on the wind far more than other engines.
November 21Nov 21 7 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said: Feels like the plane graveyards about to get a lot more MD-11s Yep probably the end of the line. The DC10s too. They are used for firefighting so maybe a few will hang on. They will have to be taken apart first and looked at.
November 21Nov 21 5 hours ago, Deej said: Look, you don't get 27 seasons of "Air Disasters" if people are doing their jobs. Someone needs to look into whether or not the producers are paying off the maintenance guys. Williamson Co. sheriff says, "Sup?" https://www.fox7austin.com/news/williamson-county-live-pd-settlement-gary-watsky
November 21Nov 21 15 hours ago, Prepuce of Doom said: Just like the Jesus Candle and cheap stuffed animal industries are bankrolling drunk drivers, and the black cotton t-shirt cartel is secretly promoting heavy metal bands.
November 21Nov 21 Yep probably the end of the line. The DC10s too. They are used for firefighting so maybe a few will hang on. They will have to be taken apart first and looked at.Too expensive.Those fire bomber types literally fly them until the wings fall off and FAA has to step in and say “no.” I’m surprised it hasn’t happened first in that community because of how much stress they put on the airframes.
November 21Nov 21 18 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said: if that really IS a picture of the pylon... holy fking shit... how the HELL was that not noticed before. its a picture of A pylon from another MD plane, not THE pylon.
November 21Nov 21 1 hour ago, Incredulity said: its a picture of A pylon from another MD plane, not THE pylon. It’s been a long time since I worked on this type of airplane but that looks like part of the horizontal stabilizer support. I worked on one that had a similar crack. The McDonnell Douglas engineering team was pretty freaked out by it and insisted on fixing it themselves. They said it was not very many cycles from letting the stabilizer break off.
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