March 2, 20196 yr I think his main issue is his acceleration. If you watch the clip he takes FOREVER to get going. Once he's upright and running and has the ball in his hands his quick enough to gain what is blocked for or potentially make a defender miss in the NFL. His route running will make or break him in the league. Plenty of non-burners have succeeded at the slot, you just have to be physical and have great hands and work your ass off. LJ is capable of all of that.
March 2, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: i still think an nfl team is getting a late round 'find' with LJH Yea I hope that team is the Bears, they need a guy like him bad!
March 2, 20196 yr Said it before and ill say it again: in the eyes of the nfl, dude is currently a 5th round pick at best. Lol at anyone thinking he was gonna be picked in the top 3 round he stays another year here, hes a sure fire 2nd rounder, AT WORST
March 2, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said: Very late pick by Pats or UFA imo. That's exactly what I was thinking. I can see a 6th round pick of him by the Pats
March 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, ztejas said: I think his main issue is his acceleration. If you watch the clip he takes FOREVER to get going. Once he's upright and running and has the ball in his hands his quick enough to gain what is blocked for or potentially make a defender miss in the NFL. His route running will make or break him in the league. Plenty of non-burners have succeeded at the slot, you just have to be physical and have great hands and work your ass off. LJ is capable of all of that. Great Stuff..... Just found this to make LJH fans feel better.... Anquan Boldin · 40-yard dash time 4.71 seconds Edited March 2, 20196 yr by LTtxfan
March 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Said it before and ill say it again: in the eyes of the nfl, dude is currently a 5th round pick at best. Lol at anyone thinking he was gonna be picked in the top 3 round he stays another year here, hes a sure fire 2nd rounder, AT WORST No WRs get drafted in the first two rounds running in the mid-4.7s Edited March 2, 20196 yr by Machinator
March 2, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Said it before and ill say it again: in the eyes of the nfl, dude is currently a 5th round pick at best. Lol at anyone thinking he was gonna be picked in the top 3 round he stays another year here, hes a sure fire 2nd rounder, AT WORST Do you see him improving his 40 time by .3 seconds in the next year? Speed is not something that will get much better and it is the main knock on him.
March 2, 20196 yr Just now, Dr. Beeper said: Because his speed improves? Lulz. He had nothing to gain and a lot to lose by staying. He left early to enter into one of the deepesr WR drafts in recent memory. And yes, his speed, strength, numbers, and maybe even size would have been even better. Kwame Cavil
March 2, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: He left early to enter into one of the deepesr WR drafts in recent memory. And yes, his speed, strength, numbers, and maybe even size would have been even better. Kwame Cavil If you were as smart as you think you are, the world would have quite the treasure.
March 2, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said: Yeah just like they did to Jerry Rice. Yeah, that. Jerry Rice was rally low acceleration.
March 2, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said: Yeah just like they did to Jerry Rice. Rice is his floor imo
March 2, 20196 yr 24 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said: Said it before and ill say it again: in the eyes of the nfl, dude is currently a 5th round pick at best. Lol at anyone thinking he was gonna be picked in the top 3 round he stays another year here, hes a sure fire 2nd rounder, AT WORST Meh. I don't think coming back for another year changes his measurables substantially. He's never gonna be a 4.5 guy. He could probably improve his bench a little. But I don't see any way he changes the things that make him a 5th round pick enough that he gets drafted in the 2nd round. It's not like he was gonna be MORE productive on the field coming back next year than he was this year. May as well see if you can get drafted or make a roster, start making money, and get to your second contract sooner.
March 2, 20196 yr 30 minutes ago, LTtxfan said: Great Stuff..... Just found this to make LJH fans feel better.... Anquan Boldin · 40-yard dash time 4.71 seconds Correction: Boldin actually ran 4.77 at the Combine "Boldin has always been seen as a receiver who relies on his physicality but running a 4.77 40 was still concerning. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning ran a 4.8 at the 1998 combine. Boldin didn’t show much explosion either when he posted a 33.5-vertical. With questionable athleticism, Boldin dropped to the second round. Then he caught 101 passes for 1,377 yards and eight touchdowns during his rookie year." https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/nfl-combine-best-worst-performance-busts-tom-brady-40-time Edited March 2, 20196 yr by LTtxfan
March 2, 20196 yr 38 minutes ago, ztejas said: I think his main issue is his acceleration. If you watch the clip he takes FOREVER to get going. Once he's upright and running and has the ball in his hands his quick enough to gain what is blocked for or potentially make a defender miss in the NFL. His route running will make or break him in the league. Plenty of non-burners have succeeded at the slot, you just have to be physical and have great hands and work your ass off. LJ is capable of all of that. He'll be a better WR than most of the guys drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The idiot NFL is obsessed with "measurables" because they can't scout for crap. Any of those Georgia WRs will test better at the combine than LJH just did. They are fast, strong, run bad routes and drop a lot of balls. They also are not great at reading defenses, which is LJ's hidden strength. Notice that he and Sam were on the same page on option routes 95% of the time? Contrast that with how often Fromm seemed to be throwing to nobody downfield because the WR made a bad (or at least different) read. LJ also gets open against zones constantly and makes tough catches in traffic. Combine tells us jack about those truly important attributes.
March 2, 20196 yr Running routes during the QB session now, LJH looks unprepared compared to the other WRs. Anybody know who LJH trained with for the Combine??
March 2, 20196 yr He’ll be a 5th-6th rounder at best. Had he come back and put another good year on tape and maybe work on his speed and run a 4.65, then he could have been a 3rd rounder maybe.
March 2, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said: Not what I said and not what I said. Rice was slow and weak. Greenspoint seems to think one can magically improve their speed. They cannot. However they can get injured and hurt their stock. LJH is my favorite player in about 10 years and probably 13 years and one of my favs of all time. I hate seeing him go. But it was the right decision. And the class is just as deep next season. Cool. Comparing him to Rice is lazy. There is Jerry Rice. Then there is every other WR that has played in the league.
March 2, 20196 yr 44 minutes ago, sushihorn said: He'll be a better WR than most of the guys drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The idiot NFL is obsessed with "measurables" because they can't scout for crap. Any of those Georgia WRs will test better at the combine than LJH just did. They are fast, strong, run bad routes and drop a lot of balls. They also are not great at reading defenses, which is LJ's hidden strength. Notice that he and Sam were on the same page on option routes 95% of the time? Contrast that with how often Fromm seemed to be throwing to nobody downfield because the WR made a bad (or at least different) read. LJ also gets open against zones constantly and makes tough catches in traffic. Combine tells us jack about those truly important attributes. I want to beleive this but not having good measurables isn't a good start. 4.75 is slow any way you slice it. He can overcome it or work on his speed but he is going to have to work his ass off to even break the rotation as a rookie.
March 2, 20196 yr LJH is going to go to the patriots in the 5th and proceed to have a wes welker type year.
March 2, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Rabidhorn said: If he is there in round 4 I can see Dallas drafting him to replace Cole. I'd be all for that.
March 2, 20196 yr Cool. Comparing him to Rice is lazy. There is Jerry Rice. Then there is every other WR that has played in the league. Randy Moss?? Terrell Owens??
March 2, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said: Okay. I only compared him to Jerry Rice in the sense that because LJ is relatively slow (like Rice was) that that doesn’t mean NFL DBs were going to blow him up. A smart poster would understand that context.
March 2, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said: Randy Moss?? Terrell Owens?? Both in the top 5 for sure. #1 isn't even close to a debate.
March 2, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said: Said it before and ill say it again: in the eyes of the nfl, dude is currently a 5th round pick at best. Lol at anyone thinking he was gonna be picked in the top 3 round he stays another year here, hes a sure fire 2nd rounder, AT WORST How are his measurables any better next year if he stays? He dropped 20 pounds and that’s all he had. I get wanting him on the team next year, but he’s probably a 3rd-6th rounder next year too based on measurables, which probably aren’t increasing that significantly in a year. He is what he is and I think there is definitely a place for him in the league.
March 2, 20196 yr Should have run the 40 in pads. I’m sure the freak from Ole Miss with 35 career catches is the safer pick.
March 2, 20196 yr 33 minutes ago, ztejas said: Both in the top 5 for sure. #1 isn't even close to a debate. yep, when Michael Irvin calls you Jesus in cleats there's no debate.
March 2, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, cam4mav said: LJH is going to go to the patriots in the 5th and proceed to have a wes welker type year. well they do prefer 6'4" slow slot guys
March 2, 20196 yr 21 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said: Interesting tactic. Fail to read posts and ascertain context, then be a smartass about it. That’s probably 1-3. I’d have a harder time arguing spots 2-5 than determining the all-time #1, which is clearly Rice. Interestic tactic. Act like Jerry Rice is an apt comparison to fucking anyone that hasn't played a snap yet. Will Grier isn't much of an athlete, but then again, neither is Tom Brady. Kerwin Roach is a pothead that never lived up to potential, but then again, Michael Jordan was cut from his freshman team. Go fuck a cactus and present better analogies next time.
March 3, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: is he headed to UFA ? Quite possibly..... this was a really bad weekend for him unless he crushed his interviews, but still....
March 3, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, sushihorn said: He'll be a better WR than most of the guys drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The idiot NFL is obsessed with "measurables" because they can't scout for crap. Any of those Georgia WRs will test better at the combine than LJH just did. Every WR there tested better than LJH did. He ran the slowest 40 of any WR at the combine this year.
March 3, 20196 yr Losing 20 lbs was probably a mistake. He didn’t have that much fat to lose. Losing muscle that quickly isn’t good for speed or strength development. Probably would’ve dipped under 4.7 and had a couple more reps if he’d just trained his ass off instead of dieting.
March 3, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, CooterBrown said: Losing 20 lbs was probably a mistake. He didn’t have that much fat to lose. Losing muscle that quickly isn’t good for speed or strength development. Probably would’ve dipped under 4.7 and had a couple more reps if he’d just trained his ass off instead of dieting. I'd be making 120k if I studied a lot more and majored differently.
March 3, 20196 yr Watching him run the 40, you could tell he put little effort into his tranining. That linked tweet showed a horrible start by him. Cost himself some time getting going.
March 3, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, LTtxfan said: Anybody know who LJH trained with for the Combine?? Mary Jane.
March 3, 20196 yr 18 minutes ago, HtownHorn said: Watching him run the 40, you could tell he put little effort into his tranining. That linked tweet showed a horrible start by him. Cost himself some time getting going. It really looked like he put no effort towards preparing for the combine. Either that or S&C is a bit lacking. Gary Johnson also didn't have the best day, 16 reps is poor for a LB and his size (5' 11", 226 lbs) is in tweener territory.
March 3, 20196 yr Just now, satyanash said: It really looked like he put no effort towards preparing for the combine. Either that or S&C is a bit lacking. Gary Johnson also didn't have the best day, 16 reps is poor for a LB and his size (5' 11", 226 lbs) is in tweener territory. I'm really interested in Omenihu and Boyd. Those 2 guys have the most to gain/lose at the combine.
March 3, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, satyanash said: Every WR there tested better than LJH did. He ran the slowest 40 of any WR at the combine this year. I understand. I've watched every game he's played. Speed ain't everything. Hope those scouts don't completely hold it against him. We know what he can do. Hope he gets a good draft slot and shows what he can do.
March 3, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said: Not what I said and not what I said. Rice was slow and weak. Greenspoint seems to think one can magically improve their speed. They cannot. However they can get injured and hurt their stock. LJH is my favorite player in about 10 years and probably 13 years and one of my favs of all time. I hate seeing him go. But it was the right decision. And the class is just as deep next season. You said Jerry Rice had low acceleration. That is laughably inaccurate. Just a joke in my opinion. Acceleration is what made him special. As far as I’m concerned, the best receiver I’ve seen.
March 3, 20196 yr At this point bomb the rest of the combine and get that UFA option to sign with the right team/system.
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