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2017-18 Spurs Thread: Probably no buckets for Kawhi

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Also overtime = gonna lose this fucking game

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Fuck this season. I wish it would hurry up and end.

Should have just left it on that cut in commercial break at the end of regulation. Then we'd never know just how shitty overtime went. 

It’s over. 0-7 on the road

So basically the lakers went to double-team LMA down the stretch, and Pop had no answer for that.

Ugh. Sure glad I didn’t try to stay awake for that. It sounds like the horror flick I watched the night before. 

I didn’t think we’d be great this year, but I sure never imagined this disaster. 

 

6 hours ago, Kermit said:

Fuck this season. I wish it would hurry up and end.

This is where I am and have been.

This season is a wash

6 hours ago, Kermit said:

Fuck this season. I wish it would hurry up and end.

Yep. I’m done. The loss of the 50 win season streak pretty much did it for me. Last night was the cherry on top. 

Swept by the Lakers for the first time since Tim Duncan's rookie season. And this is a shitshow of a Lakers team even before all of their injuries.

I've been saying this for months, but we should have been aiming for the lottery since Kawhi put himself back on the shelf in January. We fucking blew it.

Might make the lottery anyway. This team has finally convinced me it's capable. 

Yeah. After last night, anything is possible. Still can’t believe I watched the entire thing. 

Tony Parker and Danny Green combined 0-for-10. These guys used to be reliable shooters

I know all good things come to an end, and we've had it amazingly good forever. But let's be semi-objective here. Had Tim and Manu not somehow held back the hands of the clock for a few years, had Boris not forced Charlotte to dump him and had Kawhi not evolved out of nowhere to become LBJ Lite, we'd have been toast long before now. Bullets can be dodged for only so long before you step the wrong way. 

Big question is, what's next? We won't start to know that answer until we learn more about Leonard. 

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27 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

I know all good things come to an end, and we've had it amazingly good forever. But let's be semi-objective here. Had Tim and Manu not somehow held back the hands of the clock for a few years, had Boris not forced Charlotte to dump him and had Kawhi not evolved out of nowhere to become LBJ Lite, we'd have been toast long before now. Bullets can be dodged for only so long before you step the wrong way. 

Big question is, what's next? We won't start to know that answer until we learn more about Leonard. 

I'd say tear it down and rebuild, but I'm not sure laMarcus would want to stick around for that.  

If spurs missed the playoffs id feel real bad for rudy.  Dude barely played in the playoffs like a decade ago, signs with SA most likely because he saw they were close, then this shit season happens.  

54 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Tony Parker and Danny Green combined 0-for-10. These guys used to be reliable shooters

Ya I start tuning in around this time of year and was very excited to watch LA. But man, have Danny Green and Parker been that reliable all season?  Just awful.

Rudy certainly hasn't been holding this team back. He's missed a bunch of games, but I don't think they'd even have a winning record if they hadn't signed him. He deserves way better than this mess. 

On 4/5/2018 at 12:13 PM, dingleberryswitzer said:

I'd say tear it down and rebuild, but I'm not sure laMarcus would want to stick around for that.  

If spurs missed the playoffs id feel real bad for rudy.  Dude barely played in the playoffs like a decade ago, signs with SA most likely because he saw they were close, then this shit season happens.  

If Leonard is not returning, I could see PATFO trading LMA and Gay and whatever other parts they can get rid of, making next year the tank year and Pop handing off to Messina. Problem is in today's NBA you need at least 2 all-stars and preferably 2+ HOFers to contend for a title, possibly more.  Leonard was one, Parker is way past his prime, Ginobili is probably done after this year, LMA has been doing a pretty damn good job considering, but he's a high-volume shooter who is all about the mid-block ISO game, which has basically wrecked any beautiful-game era passing and sharing we had. That's also my theory on why Danny has sucked so much ass since that shift.  We're one of the few half court grind-it-out teams left in an up-tempo era.  Our Defense is the only reason it kinda sorta works.  Our new point guard might be an all-star some day, but I see his ceiling as a step below Rajon Rondo - good but not a game changer.  So where are you going to find 2 more HOFers who will come down to SA?  In the draft?

I hate to say this, but I think we're on the slippery slope toward mediocrity.  PATFO is going to keep us good enough to not get a decent draft placement, and as a result we're not going to get the Duncan or Robinson we need.  It could be a many-years-in-the-wilderness situation we're looking at.  Hopefully that means the Horns are due to not suck.

26 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

If Leonard is not returning, I could see PATFO trading LMA and Gay and whatever other parts they can get rid of, making next year the tank year and Pop handing off to Messina. Problem is in today's NBA you need at least 2 all-stars and preferably 2+ HOFers to contend for a title, possibly more.  Leonard was one, Parker is way past his prime, Ginobili is probably done after this year, LMA has been doing a pretty damn good job considering, but he's a high-volume shooter who is all about the mid-block ISO game, which has basically wrecked any beautiful-game era passing and sharing we had. That's also my theory on why Danny has sucked so much ass since that shift.  We're one of the few half court grind-it-out teams left in an up-tempo era.  Our Defense is the only reason it kinda sorta works.  Our new point guard might be an all-star some day, but I see his ceiling as a step below Rajon Rondo - good but not a game changer.  So where are you going to find 2 more HOFers who will come down to SA?  In the draft?

I hate to say this, but I think we're on the slippery slope toward mediocrity.  PATFO is going to keep us good enough to not get a decent draft placement, and as a result we're not going to get the Duncan or Robinson we need.  It could be a many-years-in-the-wilderness situation we're looking at.  Hopefully that means the Horns are due to not suck.

Solid take. Even if Kawhi comes back to stay (please, please, please), your points about the other pieces still are valid. LMA needs the ball to run through him to be both productive and happy. It works OK as long as he's hitting and the other team never just decides to double him and make one of our non-scorers shoot. Then, as seen in LA, it's curtains for our offense. None of our guards can consistently get open and then make a shot. Although Rudy has been a huge asset this year, we can't count on him to morph into Kawhi every night. And Bertans is a fine heir apparent to Bonner, in that he can bomb like crazy one night, then stink it up for a week.

Murray's working his tail off, but I don't know that he'll become the PG it takes to win titles in today's association. You have to be able to make a lot of jumpers under duress to compete with your counterparts on the true contenders. Meanwhile, we're starting an SG who can't S. Our backup guards are midgets who can't create enough offense against decent guards to offset their defensive issues. We're currently so far behind on firepower that we have no chance against them without mucking up the game and holding the opponent under 100. 

In short, we're trying to hold it all together with an odd blend of a couple players who are still really good, a few who used to be really good and one or two who hopefully will  one day be halfway decent. Once we could count on at least beating the also-rans of the league through experience and coaching, but it still takes a reasonable amount of talent to do that.  Many  nights, we're just not better than the other team. Several have more firepower, fresher legs and roughly equal coaching. That's not a war we can hope to win too often any more.

I'm not saying we can't recover a fair bit of our punch and defense with a healthy Kawhi, because until proven otherwise, he's still a Top 5 guy. But as noted, his resurgence likely would come at the direct expense of LMA's points (and psyche). The only way we'll return to elite status any time soon is for the stars to align, giving us several young guys with talent other teams either don't see or appropriately value. I don't like the odds.  

    

Edited by Gut Wagon

LMA plays well when he’s the primary offensive weapon. When Kawhi comes back, I would keep LMA as the primary scorer and have Kawhi focus on defense (i.e. guard the best player) and be the #2 option on offense. Last season Kawhi was asked to do too much. He basically had to shut down the other team’s best shooter AND carry the offense, while LMA stood around, uninspired. Fortunately for everyone, I’m not the coach.

3 hours ago, XYZ said:

LMA plays well when he’s the primary offensive weapon. When Kawhi comes back, I would keep LMA as the primary scorer and have Kawhi focus on defense (i.e. guard the best player) and be the #2 option on offense. Last season Kawhi was asked to do too much. He basically had to shut down the other team’s best shooter AND carry the offense, while LMA stood around, uninspired. Fortunately for everyone, I’m not the coach.

I was thinking the same thing. LMA gets gassed, let Kawhi take over. They'll both be happily little all-stars.

2-for-10 from 3, ugh.

I was told there would be no Lillard.

7 minutes ago, PantsTent said:

Damn, is nobody watching tonight? Going about as expected on defense.

No one posted a kawhi status update, so I assumed there was no game today.

Just now, Radical Larry said:

Just end this season already. 

Would rather miss the playoffs that give me false hope of winning a series.

Mills guarding Lillard is painful to watch

No one posted a kawhi status update, so I assumed there was no game today.


He's not playing

Hard to believe that the spurs actually outscored the blazers by 6 in the third.

For the final stretch, only LMA and Gay should be allowed to shoot.

Fucking Mills shoots an airball.

“The Spurs have no answer for Evan Turner” is something I thought I’d never type, but here we are.

Is Manu pissed because he got pulled out?

Do the spurs have to win out to get in for sure?

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They have to win one of the final two games. Monday against the Kings or Wednesday at New Orleans. 

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