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3 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

if these refs worked a Big 12 game it would take 7 hours

As compared to the 6.5 hr b12 game?

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2 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

NO IT DOESNT

jesus people.       if you say that then you are completely ignoring the fact that at some point you have to go for 2.  it doesnt matter if you go for 2 now and miss, or go for 2 later.... AND MISS.  the point is you still HAVE TO GO FOR 2- AND MAKE TWO..  and if you miss now, you know its no longer just a 1 possession game- its a 2 possession game.

 

would you rather have 4 seconds left on the clock at the end of the 4th qtr, and you score a TD.... but still need to go for 2 to tie.... and you MISS????    oh shit you just lost the game for sure, because there is no time left to get the ball back and score. 

at least if you miss early, you know you have to score one extra time. 

You do not know if you need to go for 2 in the future.  This is where you, and other dumbasses, go wrong.

1 minute ago, AUS-97HORN said:

NO IT DOESNT

jesus people.       if you say that then you are completely ignoring the fact that at some point you have to go for 2.  it doesnt matter if you go for 2 now and miss, or go for 2 later.... AND MISS.  the point is you still HAVE TO GO FOR 2- AND MAKE TWO..  and if you miss now, you know its no longer just a 1 possession game- its a 2 possession game.

 

would you rather have 4 seconds left on the clock at the end of the 4th qtr, and you score a TD.... but still need to go for 2 to tie.... and you MISS????    oh shit you just lost the game for sure, because there is no time left to get the ball back and score. 

at least if you miss early, you know you have to score one extra time. 

Well, except you may not necessarily have to go for two with that much game remaining.  Now, if OSU kicks another FG, it's an 8 pt game instead of a 7 point game.  

Just now, dingleberryswitzer said:

I dont get it.  Urb uses tater  in the Tebow role, except he's smaller than haskins.

Urb's TIA earlier in the quarter fucked his decision making there.

1 minute ago, Redneck Mutha said:

Well, except you may not necessarily have to go for two with that much game remaining.  Now, if OSU kicks another FG, it's an 8 pt game instead of a 7 point game.  

Easier to make up for that decision later if you screw it up earlier. I’m for taking the risk when you’ve got the momentum. 

1 minute ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

I dont get it.  Urb uses tater  in the Tebow role, except he's smaller than haskins.

Tatering

11 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

NO IT DOESNT

jesus people.       if you say that then you are completely ignoring the fact that at some point you have to go for 2.  it doesnt matter if you go for 2 now and miss, or go for 2 later.... AND MISS.  the point is you still HAVE TO GO FOR 2- AND MAKE TWO..  and if you miss now, you know its no longer just a 1 possession game- its a 2 possession game.

 

would you rather have 4 seconds left on the clock at the end of the 4th qtr, and you score a TD.... but still need to go for 2 to tie.... and you MISS????    oh shit you just lost the game for sure, because there is no time left to get the ball back and score. 

at least if you miss early, you know you have to score one extra time. 

the problem with your theory is he didn't go for 2 after the 1st TD.  how do you explain that?  now if Michigan scores a TD OSU can win the game with a FG and its a 1 possession game. yes he will go for 2 but what if it is the last MU drive of the game.

chasing points now is stupid unless you go for 2 after every TD.   you can't calculate score and time/possessions this early in a 2 point game.

Edited by dcar00

6 minutes ago, NBMisha said:

You do not know if you need to go for 2 in the future.  This is where you, and other dumbasses, go wrong.

exactly.  you have to get later in the game to calculate to some degree the points and possessions.  he should have gone for 2 on the first TD if this was his thinking. In 17 tries they have scored 9 times.  so about a 50% rate.

7 minutes ago, NBMisha said:

You do not know if you need to go for 2 in the future.  This is where you, and other dumbasses, go wrong.

This is true

Football math is hard

taking  the 7 early, see how the game plays out

if the other team misses a xpt or has to settle for a couple of fg instead of td

makes a huge difference 

 

 

 

I think this desk is my favorite of all the CFB halftimes.

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I think this desk is my favorite of all the CFB halftimes.

Yeah it’s not good. Get some tits in there to look at, at least. I can’t listen to them. Dave Wanstedt annoys me with his just for men colored mustache and neglected rest of head he lets go grey. 

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I think this desk is my favorite of all the CFB halftimes.

It's a fine desk. I wonder if its oak or more of a composite material?

10 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Other than Bama I don’t see a complete team at all. 

This is probably the one year that I’d agree with this notion. Most years, it’s penis headed zombies at ESPN reciting from approved talking points. 

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I think this desk is my favorite of all the CFB halftimes.

I think this chair is my favorite of all CFB 2nd quarters.  

2 minutes ago, DejaVu said:

This is probably the one year that I’d agree with this notion. Most years, it’s penis headed zombies at ESPN reciting from approved talking points. 

Clemson would be the other complete team.  

18 minutes ago, DejaVu said:

Easier to make up for that decision later if you screw it up earlier. I’m for taking the risk when you’ve got the momentum. 

Then as others have mentioned, he should have gone for 2 after the 1st TD, if that was his thinking. 

Poor decision that early.

Back on the 2pt thing.  If you find yourself with the ball down 8 with under 2.5 or so minutes to play you have to score a TD and execute something that is basically a 50/50 shot.  If you find yourself down 9 at the end of the game you now have to score a TD and execute something that is at best a 20% shot (expected onside kick...unless you find yourself playing Texas, but that is another thread) . 

Not to mention being down one possession vs 2 changes how you do everything and the pressure of only being up one possession is greater on the defense and may impact their decision making as well.  

All things being equal I would keep a game within one possession or less as long as I can and take my shot at the end rather than chase 50/50 probabilities way too early.  

Edited by Surly Bevo

Haskins is a JaMarcus Russell clone, stands in a perfectly clean pocket, waits for a receiver to come open and throws the ball as hard as he can to them.

Just now, Firemans4Horn said:

2nd down halfback dive. 

Every. Damn. Series 

Incomplete pass, HB dive, incomplete pass. Michigan needs to find a way to start getting yards on offense.

That dude got the ball in control, planted both feet in the ground, and then the ball got knocked out. That's a catch and fumble and should be 7 for OSU.

4 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

2nd down halfback dive. 

They have the Tecmo Bowl playbook and only use UP + A. 

6 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

2nd down halfback dive. 

Setting up the Flea Flicker for the Citrus Bowl. 

7 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

What a playcall! Jfc Harbaugh 

Looks like he is still calling plays for back in early 80's when he played..... needs to go with more 3 wide and expose the weak LBs and Safeties of Suckeyes in space..... 

If you spread Suckeyes out.... the Michigan running game will break more long runs too....

Edited by LTtxfan

So if Harbaugh can't beat beat Ohio St this year, when will he ever?

Edited by Vic Mackey

Michigan's D-line has been a complete nonfactor this game. No pressure at all on Haskins.

Harbaugh scouted for the game by watching an ESPN classic marathon of 1960’s mich-osu games. 

OSU is just running shallow crossing routes against Michigan’s slow ass LB and crushing them. That’s why the Big 12 recruits a different type of LB. One with speed 

2 minutes ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

Has anyone heard how Ohio state gives out those helmet stickers? Do they have a weekly meeting going over who got what and why?

Sticker given every time they hit a woman and get away with it.

Stands for black eye, not Buckeye.

Edited by Casual Encounter

how did Purdue stop the crossing route?///

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

So if Harbaugh can't beat beat Ohio St this year, when will he ever?

When Urban has a real heart attack or retires. 

Michigan needs to recruit better, get some playmakers on offense. 

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