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#67651
We designated Wagner a Transnational Criminal Organization by Treasury but they aren’t a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization. Lots of similarities in sanctions effects and tools but not quite as tough as getting slapped with the terrorist label. 

Is that like SPECTRE or SMERSH? Wagner comes across as a Bond villain enterprise, except for the Russian funding part. Is P dude living in a volcano fortress now in Belarus?

We have used paramilitary private contractor companies since the Cold War, without the marketing angle.
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#67652
15 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:


Is that like SPECTRE or SMERSH? Wagner comes across as a Bond villain enterprise, except for the Russian funding part. Is P dude living in a volcano fortress now in Belarus?

We have used paramilitary private contractor companies since the Cold War, without the marketing angle.

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#67653
18 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:


Is that like SPECTRE or SMERSH? Wagner comes across as a Bond villain enterprise, except for the Russian funding part. Is P dude living in a volcano fortress now in Belarus?

We have used paramilitary private contractor companies since the Cold War, without the marketing angle.

We'll see how long he's living.

#67655
2 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

We'll see how long he's living.

Once exposed, Bond villain's don't typically live very long either.

#67656
A number of Chinese companies stopped and still have not resumed their deliveries to the Russian Federation after Prigozhin's mutiny, as they are not sure of the stability of the country.https://t.co/pk5oJCupXz
Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda said that his government has acquired two NASAMS SAM launchers for the Armed Forces of Ukraine 💪 https://t.co/6lBjnOkPjq

 

#67658
24 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:


Is that like SPECTRE or SMERSH? Wagner comes across as a Bond villain enterprise, except for the Russian funding part. Is P dude living in a volcano fortress now in Belarus?

We have used paramilitary private contractor companies since the Cold War, without the marketing angle.

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#67666
10 hours ago, BamaATL said:

I think we do need to do this, because it will send a much more clear message globally coming from the United States than whatever murky shit the Russians might do.  (Also, I doubt their ability to actually do a cruise missile strike like this).  Wagner is now a designated terrorist organization recognized as such by the United States and will be treated accordingly.  Destroying one base on a global stage should send a loud and clear message to any Wagnerite operating globally.  The United States will find you, and we will kill you, go home or to Belarus, but don't stay where you are thinking it's business as usual.  If you do, you will die.  

That is a very clear and concise message to them, and in my opinion, one that needs to be sent.  

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#67667
The term маскировка (maskirovka) translates to "masking" or hiding. In early 20th century operations, it meant camouflage & other methods of covering movement. But in WWII it came to mean military deception efforts, then later purposeful political misdirection. 2/2

 

#67669
The Ukrainians have begun converting captured T-62s into engineering vehicles, fighting vehicles and personnel carriers
In one of the larger recent Ukrainian rear area strikes, roughly 2km up the road in Novohorivka, Zaporizhia Oblast, Ukrainian forces targeted a parked Russian convoy with drone spotted indirect fire, destroying at least 6 Kamaz trucks and one cargo van. https://t.co/FEv2Q5izzM

 

#67670
10 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Hertling's tweet above assumes there is intentionality behind all of this chaos. Me thinks he is giving the Kremlin way too much credit.

Maybe, but if anyone has had a good pulse on things, it's been him.  

#67671
A group of Russian mobilised soldiers taken into captivity by the Belarusian volunteers of the Kalinouski Regiment operating in conjunction with the 3rd Assault Brigade.
Ukrainians reported today that "Klischiivka [near Bakhmut] is a matter of time, a number of Russian strongpoints have been burned" and some Russian forces ended up in an encirclement and were captured/destroyed. In the video, fighters of the Ukrainian 80th Air Assault Brigade…

 

#67672
2 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:


Is that like SPECTRE or SMERSH? Wagner comes across as a Bond villain enterprise, except for the Russian funding part. Is P dude living in a volcano fortress now in Belarus?

We have used paramilitary private contractor companies since the Cold War, without the marketing angle.

It’s the designation we slap on Cosa Nostra or various cartels. The idea with Wagner is that it’s dirty deeds done not so dirt cheap. The irony is that we play along with Putin’s fiction that it’s not just the Russian government under a different name, because that opens up new tools for us. 
 

But if you’ll dig WAY back in this thread you’ll find my firm contentions that Wagner was always just a complicated and semi- deniable way for the Russian state and MOD to do things. And now Putin has basically confirmed that with his actions and revelations that they never really got funding elsewhere. It’s clear that Prigozhin’s relationship with the MOD and Putin changed— but fundamentally Wagner engaged in a mutiny and internecine squabbling. It never really was something separate from the Russian state although the people left may be slowly morphing into that. 

#67673
7 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:
The Ukrainians have begun converting captured T-62s into engineering vehicles, fighting vehicles and personnel carriers
In one of the larger recent Ukrainian rear area strikes, roughly 2km up the road in Novohorivka, Zaporizhia Oblast, Ukrainian forces targeted a parked Russian convoy with drone spotted indirect fire, destroying at least 6 Kamaz trucks and one cargo van. https://t.co/FEv2Q5izzM

 

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#67674
On 6/27/2023 at 6:35 AM, Schulz2.0 said:
“I cannot understand those who just a few days ago were furiously jacking off Wagner PMC

 

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Russian propagandists eat shit every day.

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Factors really help determine US public opinion and support for war. The first is the perception of victory (support will remain strong if Ukraine looks like it can win) and the second is partisanship. Dems more likely to support Dem presidents, Repubs support Repubs

 

Btw the Prigozhin fiasco probably helped Ukraine here. Hardly made it look like Russia is a confident power with a path to victory.

 

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#67677
58 minutes ago, Goredho said:

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Russian propagandists eat shit every day.

garbage in, garbage out

#67682
18 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

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Luka the Mediator with his own vision of what happened on Friday, claims Putin made a decision to challenge Wagner with force, but Luka the Wise managed to get hold of Prigozhin who wasn't picking up Putin's calls.
Judging by Lukashenko's claims, Wagner is indeed going to be based in Belarus. Luka wants them to help train the Belarusian army. "Nothing to be afraid of about them. We're keeping an eye out" - he says.I don't envy those who put their bets on Wagner a few days ago, but we've…
P.S. Lukashenko says Putin made it clear,on the morning of the coup, a decision has been made "to whack"(Prigozhin). Lukashenko persuaded him to give Luka a chance to talk him out, saying "there's a time to whack and a time to jail". That would make a great Ted talk.

 

So it was whack on, but now whack off?

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⚡️ NATO countries have agreed that Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg will remain as Secretary General of the alliance for another year, the Norwegian Verdens Gang reports.
In the east, a Ukrainian soldier from the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade targets a low-flying Russian Su-25 with an Igla MANPADS, scoring a hit.

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#67684
pro russia sites are STILL trying to spin the wagner thing as a win for russia... really? russia has lost 25,000 of its best troops.its shown that russia has no ground combat forces outside of ukraine now.the national guard is weak and underarmedover 20 army and national…

pro russia sites are STILL trying to spin the wagner thing as a win for russia... really?   russia has lost 25,000 of its best troops.  its shown that russia has no ground combat forces outside of ukraine now.  the national guard is weak and underarmed  over 20 army and national guard units flipped.  the police and GRU are now going to the units and arresting anyone they think were involved in the operation.  over 200 generals and other top officers hold dual army wagner rank.  what about them?   a poll just came out saying that russians have 90+% faith in putin.... that does more harm than good in russia. everyone knows that "official" poll is fake and its not helping putin.  putin is not the guy on the bear shooting a RPG in the forest that people want to remember from 20 years ago.  he is a small, old man... he is unsure, angary, and confused. he is putting out fake numbers that the russian media is now refusing to believe.  this guy is a dead man walking and now even china is not backing him any more.

#67685

Prilosec should have attacked Moscow while he had the chance.   Or he still should.   This indecisiveness will be his undoing.  

#67686

I don't know what they were like before, but like having the NATO and EU leadership remain in place - they've been pretty solid with this, and while Putin was their best recruiter for Finland and Sweden, they were the ones behind the scenes crossing the T's and dotting the i's.

EU leadership in particular - that's got to be like herding cats.

#67687
6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Prilosec should have attacked Moscow while he had the chance.   Or he still should.   This indecisiveness will be his undoing.  

Yep, FSB and GRU have probably been going balls to the wall trying to root out any potential mutineers/coup participants.  They are probably more terrified of people within the Russian Army/police/National Guard flipping than Wagner at this point.

#67688
Empathy is truly limitless. This heartfelt video shared by Nedal Al-Amari shows Syrian children, who have experienced war themselves, in a refugee camp sending messages of support to people in Ukraine. https://t.co/2MA372PvWO

 

#67689
13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yep, FSB and GRU have probably been going balls to the wall trying to root out any potential mutineers/coup participants.  They are probably more terrified of people within the Russian Army/police/National Guard flipping than Wagner at this point.

A purge will come either way.  Guilty or not. 

#67691
Of course Prigozhin had help from Russian generals. You don't march 800 km through 4 Russian oblasts virtually unimpeded if there is no significant support in the Russian generality. Putin had to order mayors with dump cars and excavators to set up barricades, because the Russian…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Referencing the NY Times article

Of course Prigozhin had help from Russian generals. You don't march 800 km through 4 Russian oblasts virtually unimpeded if there is no significant support in the Russian generality. Putin had to order mayors with dump cars and excavators to set up barricades, because the Russian army was AWOL.

Even though the circumstances of Wagner`s stopping at the gates of Moscow are murky, I stand by my word that Moscow would have been taken by Sunday. The resistance of Putin's regime was nonexistent or not willing to defend Putin and the question is not if Russian generals helped in this insurrection, but how many were involved.

The dissolution of Russian statehood is continuing and Putin is facing the dilemma whether to send out his few remaining bloodhounds to track down the insurrectionists and by doing so expedite the downfall of the Russian war effort or remain being a lame duck and being removed altogether in a short period of time.

Since he is revengeful narcissist who already said that he will never forgive betrayal he would eventually go after the traitors, if he can regain some relative power back, and his enemies are most certainly aware of that fact. It's going to be interesting either way, since he will lose no matter what.

#67693
this looks like a battle of the bulge attack. all eyes on the 1st tank army in the north and the 810th marines in the south.

 

#67694

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Explosions in Melitopol are reported💥
Consequences of the arrival in Prymorsk. It is reported a Russian base is covered. https://t.co/7wIIyQiU6v

 

#67696
According to russian military correspondents, General Surovikin was sent to the pre-trial detention centerIt’s said, Surovikin was informed about the impending “military coup” and contributed in every possible way to its implementation.There is no official confirmation of…

 

#67698
Rybar about Kherson/Antonivskyi bridge➡️AFU continues to hold positions➡️Russian used heavy MLRS strikes, didn't help. AFU managed to bring in reinforcements.➡️AFU units were spotted on the Dnipro islands south of Kherson. Russia has no 'confident' control over this area

 

#67700
Hungary has postponed a decision on Sweden's entry into NATO until the July summit, Ågnes Vadai, Member of Parliament in the Hungarian National Assembly reported.Türkiye also does not give the green light yet.

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