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#68001
19 hours ago, Bevo said:

I’m at sea so it isn’t easy to read. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying. After this war any power shift will be temporary. No one and everyone wants a single super power. It invites mistrust and will never create stability, no matter how benevolent that super power’s motives. 
 

The better outcome is the strengthening of NATO. That should help with Europe and Africa. OTOH, NATO will weaken again when China or Iraq come to the forefront. There will always be ebbs and flows in power so don’t expect things to be any better, safer, or different than they have been. The only constant in civilization is that human nature runs counter to civility.

I chose my words poorly. I think a better way to describe it is that the deck is reshuffling. How the cards land will set the tone for the next 50 years I think.

I really think that once Ukraine is rebuilt it will emerge as a dominant European power. Their geography demands it.

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#68002
14 hours ago, Ten Bears said:

OK I see that now. So now to the orc that had a great vault but failed to stick landing... I think he was already dead before launch but question is what blew him 30 ft in the air?  Had to be something a little stronger than a grenade right?

 

Of all the crazy footage that one ranks up there. 

In fascist Russia, landing sticks you. 

#68003
42 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I chose my words poorly. I think a better way to describe it is that the deck is reshuffling. How the cards land will set the tone for the next 50 years I think.

I really think that once Ukraine is rebuilt it will emerge as a dominant European power. Their geography demands it.

Maybe, right now the Czech Republic has 10M people and 500K refugees who are willing to work for nothing. This puts a strain on relations. Ukraine needs to get back on its feet quickly because absorbing the 40M population into these small Eastern European countries would create new problems.

considering Ukraine has natural resources, I think you will be right. But its location isn’t ideal if a bunch of refugees from the Stans start coming in. I doubt refugees from Russia will be a problem, though. 

#68004
#Ukraine and 🇸🇰 #Slovakia to create a 155-mm self-propelled howitzer. The purpose of this cooperation is adaptation of the Slovak Eva self-propelled howitzer to Ukrainian requirements and integration of technical solutions from 🇺🇦 partners.Source: Militarnyi
“Ukraine is not going to make compromises regarding territorial integrity, even if this will immediately allow it to become a full-fledged member of NATO,” this was stated by President Zelensky during a press conference with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez today.

 

#68005
⚡The russian federation has stopped the registration of the incoming fleet, blocking the possibility of delivering food, according to the Ministry of Communities, Territories and Infrastructure Development of Ukraine. Since June 26, Russia has blocked 29 ships in the…
⚡️As part of the new aid package, Spain will send four more Leopard tanks to Ukraine, as well as armored personnel carriers and a portable field hospital.This was stated by Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez during a press conference with Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv.👉…

 

#68006
Spain 🇪🇸 has become the 21st country to support Ukraine 🇺🇦’s NATO membership 💪
⚡️The Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine published the statistics of destroyed air targets for June.Ukrainian air defense shot down 144 cruise missiles and 153 Shahed kamikaze drones. Several downed ballistic missiles, including "Kinzhal" missiles.👉Follow…

^They're going to run out of room

#68007
1 hour ago, MissingInAction said:

I really think that once Ukraine is rebuilt it will emerge as a dominant European power. Their geography demands it.

41 minutes ago, Bevo said:

considering Ukraine has natural resources, I think you will be right. But its location isn’t ideal if a bunch of refugees from the Stans start coming in. I doubt refugees from Russia will be a problem, though. 

They've got agriculture and oil & gas, and out of the EU countries, even though they aren't EU, they would be a top 10 in population. And they've got access to the Black Sea. Definitely will be a major power.

Now if Zeihan had been pumping that story - that Putin was worried that Ukraine was about to be a major power, rather than "Russia has to push their borders out to geographical barriers so Putin felt he had to invade in order to protect Moscow", I'd agree with him more. I still agree with him on a lot of stuff, but I feel like Ukraine's potential is more detrimental to Russia's economy than the potential for invasion (and the fact that Putin has few troops inside of Russia proper proved that, plus Kaliningrad is lightly defended).

#68008

Ukraine will be in NATO before Sweden at this point. 

Hell, at the rate things are going, Ukraine is liable to have the support of everybody but Turkey and Hungary by the end of July.

#68009

https://twitter.com/UkraineINtoucH/status/1675203682046996482?s=20

^Like ZOINKS gang!

In Zaporizhzhia, a 300- to 500-year-old dugout boat was recovered from the Dnipro River near Khortytsia Island. A passerby saw the artifact and contacted archaeologists. It took two weeks to retrieve the find.📹https://t.co/fC1noYGOIP

^Neat

#68010

Elon announced today that he is now limiting everyone to viewing only 600 posts a day, so I imagine this will severely limit the posting we do.

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#68011
There is information from 4 different sources already 🇺🇦❤️The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a serious success in the direction of Robotyne, Zaporizhzhia region 👀+ 1.5 km in depth 👍🏻+ 6 km wide ✌🏻
"Ukrainian troops are advancing in all directions of their counteroffensive against occupying Russian forces, a senior defence official said on Friday." This is verified by numerous osurces, including even the Russians. Follow me for updates and links.https://t.co/Enjrww64ON

 

#68013
41 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Elon announced today that he is now limiting everyone to viewing only 600 posts a day, so I imagine this will severely limit the posting we do.

"I gotta great idea! Let's make people pay in order to see more ads!"

"Great idea, Elon!"

#68014
5 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

"I gotta great idea! Let's make people pay in order to see more ads!"

"Great idea, Elon!"

"Wait Elon, the people that pay get to see less ads. The people who don't pay aren't going to see any ads"

"Fantastic, you know that I hate advertising!"

"Okay?"

#68015
A Russian T-90 "Breakthrough" tank was destroyed in the southern direction. This is considered to be the most advanced Russian tank right now.
Footage reportedly demonstrating an effective destruction of an entire battery of 152-mm Msta-S systems belonging to the Russian armed formations using HIMARS.
“planners in Kyiv have relayed…their aim to retake substantial territory by the fall; move artillery and missile systems near the boundary line of Russian-controlled Crimea; push further into eastern Ukraine; and then open negotiations with Moscow”https://t.co/XE4KTgjIx3

 

#68016
6 minutes ago, bolverk said:
A Russian T-90 "Breakthrough" tank was destroyed in the southern direction. This is considered to be the most advanced Russian tank right now.
Footage reportedly demonstrating an effective destruction of an entire battery of 152-mm Msta-S systems belonging to the Russian armed formations using HIMARS.
“planners in Kyiv have relayed…their aim to retake substantial territory by the fall; move artillery and missile systems near the boundary line of Russian-controlled Crimea; push further into eastern Ukraine; and then open negotiations with Moscow”https://t.co/XE4KTgjIx3

 

Negotiations?

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#68017
Russian state TV is now doubting the effectiveness of Wagner which took much longer to "liberate a less important Bakhmut" in comparison to Mariupol". Hilarious.The biggest irony is that this will actually work and in a few weeks, Wagner will be condemned by Russians who get…

 

???

Dude's full of shit, right?

Rumor: Ramzan 'TikTok' Kadyrov, Putin-appointed dictator and terrorizer of Chechnya is on his deathbed and can no longer speak.
When I created this account, I swore to myself that I'd only create analytical content. But the recent display of russian military genius has forced me to break that promise. Turn on the volume, as this is probably the most accurate representation of my reaction on THIS

 

#68018
1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

https://twitter.com/UkraineINtoucH/status/1675203682046996482?s=20

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In Zaporizhzhia, a 300- to 500-year-old dugout boat was recovered from the Dnipro River near Khortytsia Island. A passerby saw the artifact and contacted archaeologists. It took two weeks to retrieve the find.📹https://t.co/fC1noYGOIP

^Neat

Yeah, let’s just hope none of those guys step on any wayward mines going to and from the site.   F Russia.  

#68019
1 hour ago, bolverk said:
Russian state TV is now doubting the effectiveness of Wagner which took much longer to "liberate a less important Bakhmut" in comparison to Mariupol". Hilarious.The biggest irony is that this will actually work and in a few weeks, Wagner will be condemned by Russians who get…

 

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Dude's full of shit, right?

Rumor: Ramzan 'TikTok' Kadyrov, Putin-appointed dictator and terrorizer of Chechnya is on his deathbed and can no longer speak.
When I created this account, I swore to myself that I'd only create analytical content. But the recent display of russian military genius has forced me to break that promise. Turn on the volume, as this is probably the most accurate representation of my reaction on THIS

 

I hope Ramzon eplodes like Henry VIII.  

#68020
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They've got agriculture and oil & gas, and out of the EU countries, even though they aren't EU, they would be a top 10 in population. And they've got access to the Black Sea. Definitely will be a major power.

Now if Zeihan had been pumping that story - that Putin was worried that Ukraine was about to be a major power, rather than "Russia has to push their borders out to geographical barriers so Putin felt he had to invade in order to protect Moscow", I'd agree with him more. I still agree with him on a lot of stuff, but I feel like Ukraine's potential is more detrimental to Russia's economy than the potential for invasion (and the fact that Putin has few troops inside of Russia proper proved that, plus Kaliningrad is lightly defended).

Ukraine had dire demographic issues before the war and that will be accelerated. It was even worse than Russia. Their GDP per capita was about half of Belarus’ in 2013, before Russia As someone who has traveled much of the country save for the far East— they are saddled with a crumbling infrastructure and a hollowed out countryside. 
 

All this is even more reason to help them win the war quickly and then establish a crash EU plan to get refugees home and not just rebuild infrastructure, but replace. And the security guarantee of NATO so that “never again” is more than just a watchword. Because what they will have is a massive army and a traumatized population and that could absolutely devolve into something dangerous. 

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#68023
4 hours ago, MillerEP said:

https://twitter.com/UkraineINtoucH/status/1675203682046996482?s=20

^Like ZOINKS gang!

In Zaporizhzhia, a 300- to 500-year-old dugout boat was recovered from the Dnipro River near Khortytsia Island. A passerby saw the artifact and contacted archaeologists. It took two weeks to retrieve the find.📹https://t.co/fC1noYGOIP

^Neat

Two weeks to excavate something that large is blisteringly fast. You're normally looking at months to years, depending on what type of sediment the object is preserved in, crew experience, funding and a bunch of other variables.

A lot of the information in archaeology and paleontology sites is how the objects and artifacts are deposited and preserved. Mapping the site is the most critical step, because you lose a shit ton of information if you don't do it correctly and you can't ever get that data back if you fuck it up.

On the video, you can see the vertical posts surrounding the boat that are used to make a grid for mapping purposes. Even in a war zone, they are mapping it properly. 

Major props that they care enough about their history to do this correctly, even in a war zone. Doing it properly in two weeks is a massive accomplishment. 

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#68026
36 minutes ago, Gravy Train said:

Found in Bakhmut, this RU propaganda pamphlet was shared among fresh meat conscripts.  Title translates to "This is the difference"

https://imgur.com/a/aQ2wbZj

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If the Russians are that scared of made up bullshit about the Ukrainians, the Russians could always just fuck off and go home. 

Just a suggestion. 

#68027
The director of the CIA says disaffection in Russia with the war in Ukraine was creating a once-in-a-generation opportunity to recruit spies.William Burns said his agency was not letting it go to waste.He said: "Disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the…

 

#68028
21 minutes ago, The Dog said:
The director of the CIA says disaffection in Russia with the war in Ukraine was creating a once-in-a-generation opportunity to recruit spies.William Burns said his agency was not letting it go to waste.He said: "Disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the…

 

Love this. If it's true, awesome. If it's not true, it's still going to make Putin paranoid and reduce the effectiveness of his intelligence services, administration and military. 

Hey Vlad...

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#68029
55 minutes ago, The Dog said:
The director of the CIA says disaffection in Russia with the war in Ukraine was creating a once-in-a-generation opportunity to recruit spies.William Burns said his agency was not letting it go to waste.He said: "Disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the…

 

Why would we need to spy on a country in a civil war? What we really need is to be able to know every nuclear weapon location and to be able to secure them quickly and completely when things go to shit. 

#68030
7 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Why would we need to spy on a country in a civil war? What we really need is to be able to know every nuclear weapon location and to be able to secure them quickly and completely when things go to shit. 

We need to have an open checkbook and be prepared to start writing checks to any Russian leaders/generals/officers/whoever who help secure those nukes.  Money could do a helluva lot for securing those nukes quickly.

One fear is that all of the outer republics/nations in the area around Russia are going to want nukes and they have people working in Russia, and those areas want nukes because that's the only security guarantee against Russia.

#68031
We need to have an open checkbook and be prepared to start writing checks to any Russian leaders/generals/officers/whoever who help secure those nukes.  Money could do a helluva lot for securing those nukes quickly.
One fear is that all of the outer republics/nations in the area around Russia are going to want nukes and they have people working in Russia, and those areas want nukes because that's the only security guarantee against Russia.

That last part is big. It’s one of the most dangerous things that Russia has done: shown neighboring states (and maybe current Russian regions that could break away) that having a nuclear deterrent is the only smart play.
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#68032
22 hours ago, Ten Bears said:

That was a little harder to watch than most Russian soldier death porn.

22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Nahh. Gimme more.

21 hours ago, BamaATL said:

This, if you get to feeling badly, just remember: 

1.  The amount of children the Russians have killed - at least 400 (at thats probably sandbagging it a bit)

2.  The number of civilians targeted and killed by the Russians

3.  The amount of rapes and sexual assaults committed by Russians

4.  The deliberately placed murderers and all sorts of mentally unstable in combat

5.  The ecologic terrorism committed such as blowing up the dam

6.  They've attempted to freeze and starve the elderly via attacks on infrastructure

7.  They've destroyed over 3,000 school, hundreds of medical facilities, looted museums, stolen from farmers, mined fields

And the list goes on.  All the while, remember the vast majority of the Russian population is cheering all this on and even happy they are doing it.  

Did that one guy do it, maybe not?  But did his death prevent anymore of this from happening, probably even if in some small regard (and potentially a large one).  

If you bear all that in mind, you may find your sympathy eroding, and that's ok.

This SMO, war,  litany of atrocities has challenged by core beliefs in a big way.  What we see here damn near every day makes me want to throw in the towel, say "Fuck it!", and just ... 

"...just wipe it clean off the map. Knock everything down, every city, every castle, all the bridges, all the roads. Everything. Don't leave two stones standing together. Just wipe the slate clean. Turn Germany Russia into a prairie, then ship over a few buffalo and let them start from scratch. Now, what do you think of that, Colonel Surly?" - Major Wolenski

My desktop reaffirms my resolve, every day I turn on my computer. It also allows me watch karma personified, without guilt.

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#68033
3 hours ago, Gravy Train said:

Found in Bakhmut, this RU propaganda pamphlet was shared among fresh meat conscripts.  Title translates to "This is the difference"

https://imgur.com/a/aQ2wbZj

oKZeWFA.jpg

FPvO76d.jpg

GYQJBbY.jpg

GHbcnR1.jpg

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like if you took those flags and reversed em it's more accurate

#68034
7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They've got agriculture and oil & gas, and out of the EU countries, even though they aren't EU, they would be a top 10 in population. And they've got access to the Black Sea. Definitely will be a major power.

They have an incredible history, and a beach, and have instilled a want in every civilized person to extend a hand in friendship, and ..., I'm just spitballing here, a desire to extend a hand full of tourist $$$.

 

#68035
40 minutes ago, PTINS said:

This SMO, war,  litany of atrocities has challenged by core beliefs in a big way.  What we see here damn near every day makes me want to throw in the towel, say "Fuck it!", and just ... 

"...just wipe it clean off the map. Knock everything down, every city, every castle, all the bridges, all the roads. Everything. Don't leave two stones standing together. Just wipe the slate clean. Turn Germany Russia into a prairie, then ship over a few buffalo and let them start from scratch. Now, what do you think of that, Colonel Surly?" - Major Wolenski

My desktop reaffirms my resolve, every day I turn on my computer. It also allows me watch karma personified, without guilt.

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Dusty in here.

#68036
41 minutes ago, PTINS said:

They have an incredible history, and a beach, and have instilled a want in every civilized person to extend a hand in friendship, and ..., I'm just spitballing here, a desire to extend a hand full of tourist $$$.

They've still got a lot of problems though (as mentioned demographics being a big one, not helped by this war), but if the EU were to implement some kind of Marshall Plan, it'd make things really interesting.  At the very least, it's a buffer to Russia.

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#68039

I have a pretty close friend who decided to go back to Kyiv for a variety of reasons, not without some angst and struggling. It was a hard goodbye, and yesterday I checked in to see how the travels went and this is what I got:

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So yeah, fuck the orcs in their trenches. I’m not having a ton of sympathy. 

#68040

SIAP, a WC-135 Constant Phoenix has been sent to Crete. This is where we send Global Hawk and Rivet Joint drones for the Black Sea. The WC-135 is a nuclear sniffing airplane. I imagine it’s been sent in connection to tensions at ZNP. 
 

Overnight, a USAF WC-135 Constant Phoenix repositioned to the Mediterranean island of Crete.

 

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#68041
On 6/30/2023 at 2:30 AM, MagicSoccerSpray said:

The Bradley was a success and always was.

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Ask the Israelis why they had to redesign them before they would accept them. It will punch holes in your theory.

#68043
9 hours ago, PTINS said:

They have an incredible history, and a beach, and have instilled a want in every civilized person to extend a hand in friendship, and ..., I'm just spitballing here, a desire to extend a hand full of tourist $$$.

 

I’m not hanging out at a beach with mines. See a hot chick in bikini, roll over to hide, and blam! 

#68044
3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a pretty close friend who decided to go back to Kyiv for a variety of reasons, not without some angst and struggling. 

Obviously for a woman.

#68047
On 6/30/2023 at 7:41 PM, Bevo said:

Both were a problem but since an unfortunate accident in the restroom, it’s just the eye patch. I don’t really need it. It just makes me look a little debonair, especially when I wear a long jacket.

 

- and the waves - and needing to see at a distance - so no reading glasses - and glare from the sun and water. It is a little easier now because we are moored for the night.

 

I forgot the biggest issue: The damn cell phone screen continuously moves due to the loading of pictures at slow internet speeds

#68049

Here's an incredibly tense 43 minute video of two days on the southern front, all from the sergeant's GoPro. He edits out the actual attacks, but the footage he does show of his communications with his people, and the stress of the environment they're in, is compelling. At the end he claims there were no killed in action during the two days, which seems unbelievable.

There were a lot of raw soldiers based on the conversations, but they all seemed extremely well kitted, and at least had some training. I know the southern assault groups were all volunteers, but many of them had not seen combat before. The troops around Bakhmut are composed of many of the veterans of the conflict, but they don't have western gear for the most part, other than artillery and mortars. 

Anyway, it's obviously a time investment. The biggest takeaways for me were the interrogation of the injured Russian at the beginning, the style of communication from the sergeant to the troops, his narration about midway through, and then the complete abandonment of positions by the Russians. Oh, not all the Russians abandoned their positions. Some of them will be there until their bodies are disposed of. 

 

#68050
Just now, Schulz2.0 said:

The Ukrainians are reportedly saying the AMX-10 RC vehicles they got from the French aren't suited for front line assaults, but more for fire support because their armor is so thin.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/14/the-ukrainian-marine-corps-amx-10rc-recon-vehicles-didnt-last-long-in-a-frontal-assault-on-russian-defenses/?sh=3d174502103f

Is this news? I thought this was a known issue? I must have read this several dozen times when they were being donated.

I did read the article. Sounds like they were desperate for firepower, and so used them despite their terrible fit for the role. BTW, the article was written a couple of weeks ago.

One thing about those vaunted 6 Finnish engineering vehicles on the Leopard 2 chassis. The reason the Finnish donated them is because they didn't work during testing. The Finns said it was because of the rocky soil in Finland, but it may have been they just don't work period. 

The truth is the Ukrainians aren't ideally kitted out to fight this counter offensive, but they're doing it anyway. And, they're having successes. 

My biggest concern above all others is Zaluzhnyi talking about the lack of artillery shells in that recent Washington Post article. They're not getting F-16s anytime soon. Who knows when they'll get cluster munitions or ATAMCS. But for goodness sakes scrape together everything possible to get them artillery shells. Artillery shells and mobile air defense. Oh, and thank you thank you thank you to the Brits for supplying the Storm Shadows. Holy shit what a difference those have made. 

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