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  • AUS-97HORN
    AUS-97HORN

    For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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  • InkaUtexas
    InkaUtexas

    I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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#70302
2 minutes ago, Viper said:

How could it not be? 

If NATO can find a reason to not get their citizens killed or escalate to nuclear war, they will.

Not saying that I agree with this point of view.

Personally, I've been ready to make Moscow glow in the dark for a while.

#70303
4 minutes ago, Viper said:

How could it not be? 

whether this is true or not:

 

Article 6

“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

  • on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
  • on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”
#70304
21 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Well, add that to the list of war crimes, then.

What teeth do the Geneva Conventions even have? Who's going to stop the Russians from violating them?

The Geneva stuff is after-the-fact if you put people on trial - it's something (charges) that can be added.

#70305
So true. The most realistic part of the entire Star Wars series is when a bunch of board Stormtrooper sentries hear suspicious noises, decide it must be nothing, and go back to standing around for their 8-hour shift.These are TikTok sentries only!

 

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#70306

 

The Ukrainian armed forces eliminated at least 2 571 Russian officers as of 26 July 2023.Based on publicly available data from Russia. Confirmations are made via funeral notices, obituaries and news sites. Names and sources can be found in the table in our profile.

 

#70307

I'd be awful nervous if I were that cameraman. But, then again, if that Russian soldier shoots as poorly as a Storm Trooper, maybe not.

#70308
36 minutes ago, blacklab said:

No idea. There's one guy here that flew them, he should know.

not sure I can trust a guy who goes by leroy jenkins.....

#70311
16 minutes ago, Viper said:

How could it not be? 

That is what I remembered from a Military Law seminar. Did not talk much about Navy, was more about NATO's responsibilities in Peacekeeping Roles for Bosnia Operations. 

#70312
18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'd be awful nervous if I were that cameraman. But, then again, if that Russian soldier shoots as poorly as a Storm Trooper, maybe not.

Dude probably doesn't have any bullets. 

#70313
Blyatmobile obr. 2023
Goat bang gang pretending to be at the frontlines. What they are forgetting is the area would have black impact marks on the ground all over the place if this was the frontlines.

 

#70315
2 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think he flew P-3s. P-8 is a pretty new platform. 

I was going to make a joke about Leeroy being old until I realized the P-8 came into service shortly after I got out of the Navy. Oops.

#70317
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think @blacklab knows more, but the P8’s carry torpedoes and Harpoon anti-ship missiles.  If they are being escorted by American P8’s, that’s interesting.

 

1 hour ago, blacklab said:

No idea. There's one guy here that flew them, he should know.

The P8's primary mission is Anti-Submarine Warfare and to that end they have a lot of sonar and anti sub gear.  They can also carry anti-ship weapons like Harpoons.

#70318

Unless I'm mistaken, the Danube is considered international waters and countries do not need to give permission to transit through if the ship isn't docking at a port in that country.  So legally, this isn't a problem.  A ship can move between Romania and Croatia without involving Serbia.  

Practically, that part of Croatia is sparsely populated with little industry, and I don't think there are any sizable ports on the Danube.  The Sava is a tributary that meets up in Belgrade and upriver forms the southern border of Croatia with Bosnia (the confluence of the Sava and the Danube has bars on barges everywhere and is one of the best party scenes in Europe), and in theory that could be used to get further into Croatia, but I don't think it's wide or deep enough to handle big grain ships.  About the same size as Lady Bird Lake.

Croatia idea sounds cool but probably not likely to have an impact.

#70319
🇷🇺 RUBLE CONTINUES ITS PAINFUL DECLINE⚡️⚡️ The 🇷🇺 Ruble has lost nearly 50% of value over the course of the last year. In real terms, the average 🇷🇺 soldier who was before making $ 700 a month is making $ 350 while domestic costs continue to grow in Russia.Look at the past…

https://twitter.com/parrot_soldier/status/1686084325597396992?s=20

^Like one of the comments says, it looks like Verdun

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#70320
3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Interesting. Russia would never touch an Israeli ship. Seems like there is a work around. USN providing oversight recon support. 

⛴️An Israeli ship has become the first to break through Moscow's grain blockade🌾Today, the Ams1, ignoring russian threats, is entering the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. This is the first ship to break through the russian blockade of the Black Sea after the bombing of Reni on…

 

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#70321
From 1 September, China will restrict the export of some drones and related equipment to “safeguard national security and interests” amid US accusations it helps Russia in the war📷 Reutershttps://t.co/AW0jxPYpaY

 

 

#70322
👀✨👀✨👀An evacuation has been announced at the "Kerch Yuzhnaya" railway station, an air alert has been announced on the Crimean Bridge, traffic has been blocked!

what kerch bridge doing?

#70323
20 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I was going to make a joke about Leeroy being old until I realized the P-8 came into service shortly after I got out of the Navy. Oops.

So, is he old?

#70325

I've flown on a P3 before so I guess I'm old.  Worked on the transition to the P8 and MQ-4C.  Also been on 4 Aircraft Carriers that have been retired. lol

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#70327
7 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

I've flown on a P3 before so I guess I'm old.  Worked on the transition to the P8 and MQ-4C.  Also been on 4 Aircraft Carriers that have been retired. lol

Holy shit, so you killed off the P3 and 4 aircraft carriers?

But seriously, those P8s are pretty capable if they are hauling Harpoons, right?  Russian fighters probably don't have the range/loitering capabilities that far from home, and they know they'd be seen in enough time for NATO fighters to show up.

#70330
21 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Holy shit, so you killed off the P3 and 4 aircraft carriers?

But seriously, those P8s are pretty capable if they are hauling Harpoons, right?  Russian fighters probably don't have the range/loitering capabilities that far from home, and they know they'd be seen in enough time for NATO fighters to show up.

Ehhh, I was a contractor supplying gear and training on those platforms.  We moved the stuff we were doing onto the new platforms.  

Yes, P8s are capable.  I think they are in theatre because the Drones we were using were harassed by the Russians notably crashing one of them.  The stakes are raised with a manned aircraft.  But remember that China bumped one of our P3s which led to the crew doing an emergency landing in China. That was a huge break in protocol.

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#70333

Guess we still make good equipment. 

Our humvee got hit. Luckily all wolves are safe. Thank you, USA. The equipment you provide saves lives. Now we need ATACMS to do some strategic damage.

 

#70334
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Holy shit, so you killed off the P3 and 4 aircraft carriers?

But seriously, those P8s are pretty capable if they are hauling Harpoons, right?  Russian fighters probably don't have the range/loitering capabilities that far from home, and they know they'd be seen in enough time for NATO fighters to show up.

What are the chances that P-8 already had a couple invisible shadows? 

#70335
20 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Guess we still make good equipment. 

Our humvee got hit. Luckily all wolves are safe. Thank you, USA. The equipment you provide saves lives. Now we need ATACMS to do some strategic damage.

 

I'd be interested in an explanation of what additional value ATACMS provides at this point. It has less less range than Storm Shadow (although perhaps the modifications to get it to fire from their aircraft change that). I guess they'd have more platforms to launch ATACMS from, and supply of Storm Shadow may be extremely limited. It is also possible ATACMS would be more difficult for Russia to intercept, but I'm not sure that's clear given the very different launch profiles.  

#70336
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

I'd be interested in an explanation of what additional value ATACMS provides at this point. It has less less range than Storm Shadow (although perhaps the modifications to get it to fire from their aircraft change that). I guess they'd have more platforms to launch ATACMS from, and supply of Storm Shadow may be extremely limited. It is also possible ATACMS would be more difficult for Russia to intercept, but I'm not sure that's clear given the very different launch profiles.  

If HIMARS have value ATACMS have value.

#70337
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Holy shit, so you killed off the P3 and 4 aircraft carriers?

But seriously, those P8s are pretty capable if they are hauling Harpoons, right?  Russian fighters probably don't have the range/loitering capabilities that far from home, and they know they'd be seen in enough time for NATO fighters to show up.

Are Harpoons much of a threat to modern defenses on big ships? Low, slow flying, 1970s era missile seems like it would be a pretty easy target absent some aggressive missile spam. 

#70338

The biggest value ATACMS has is it can't be shot down like Storm Shadows can.  That's very significant for heavily defended targets like the Kerch Bridge.

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#70339
4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I'd be interested in an explanation of what additional value ATACMS provides at this point. It has less less range than Storm Shadow (although perhaps the modifications to get it to fire from their aircraft change that). I guess they'd have more platforms to launch ATACMS from, and supply of Storm Shadow may be extremely limited. It is also possible ATACMS would be more difficult for Russia to intercept, but I'm not sure that's clear given the very different launch profiles.  

One thing, we probably have more to give than the UK. They have the launchers are trained on them, so why not? Fuck Russia. 

#70340
1 minute ago, Bevo said:

If HIMARS have value ATACMS have value.

ATACMS cost a hell of a lot more than GMLRs. You really wouldn't want to use the former on a target that could be serviced by the later.  ATACMS and Storm Shadow would seem to overlap on intended targets. While I have no doubt that ATACMS could be used, I'm just not sure I understand why it is a need if the same targets (and further away targets) can be serviced with Storm Shadow. 

#70341

Storm Shadows are subsonic and fly low to the ground.  ATACMS is over mach 3 and comes down at the target from above.  That makes a huge difference when it comes to shooting them down.

#70342
2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

One thing, we probably have more to give than the UK. They have the launchers are trained on them, so why not? Fuck Russia. 

That makes the most sense to me. Storm Shadow has pretty limited production numbers so I'd definitely understand that if we could provide a lot of ATACMS Ukraine wouldn't have to be as selective in its target selection. I definitely agree with providing it. I just find it interesting that is often described as a need when on paper it seems like it doesn't really provides additional capability. 

#70343

They had to jury rig the Mig 29 to launch Storm Shadows, so I bet they can only launch from a few at a time. I bet they have way more HIMARS launchers than they have planes capable of launching Storm Shadows. 

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#70345
Russian propaganda is spreading into the world’s video games, including Minecraft and Roblox, circulating a torrent of propaganda that the Kremlin has used to try to justify the war in Ukraine to new, mostly younger audiences. https://t.co/5qfxVZ6HPw
There are just under 7 million children in Ukraine, according to UN figures for 2023, so Russia has abducted over 10% of Ukraine's population under the age of 18. That's #genocide. https://t.co/Qhmw8Hvbjh

 

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#70347
2 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Those fancy things were not around back then.  I flew P-3's.  

 

(not sure what I missed I haven't been in this thread lately)

Surly has decided to crowdsource a P-3 instead of a sniper rifle, and we volunteered you to fly it over the Black Sea hunting Russians. 

#70348
1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Surly has decided to crowdsource a P-3 instead of a sniper rifle, and we volunteered you to fly it over the Black Sea hunting Russians. 

This is a P-3, right?

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#70349
BREAKING: US Ambassador to UN - "Any attack of the Wagner group will be considered an attack by the Russian Federation"
⚡️Tomorrow, 🇸🇰Slovakia will hand over two more 155-mm Zuzana 2 self-propelled guns to 🇺🇦Ukraine.These are the first two howitzers out of a total of 16 that 🇩🇪Germany, 🇩🇰Denmark and 🇳🇴Norway bought for Ukraine

 

#70350
31 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Those fancy things were not around back then.  I flew P-3's.  

(not sure what I missed I haven't been in this thread lately)

This report: “Militarnyi reports that yesterday, three civilian ships (Israeli, Greek and Turkish/Georgian origin) were able to bypass the Russian blockade of the Black Sea and headed for Ukraine. It is reported that the passage was secured by a US P8 anti-ship aircraft.”

Was just curious how formidable one of those P8’s were, and it’s not clear whether it was simple the US Navy saying “hey we are in the area” or “ hey we are tracking these civilian ships, hopefully nothing happens to them.”

Of course, Russia attacking any non-Ukrainian ships would be a huge shitstorm and I think even they know it.  That’s the kind of stuff that invites armed escorts. Plus Turkey would probably completely close the Straits off to Russian shipping, and not just Russian military vessels.

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