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#86901
DEVELOPING: Plane which crashed in Kazakhstan suffered external damage, according to experts.The pilots sent a distress call around the time Russian air defense was responding to a Ukrainian drone attack.Kazakh deputy PM, asked whether the plane was shot down: "I dare not…

 

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    For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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    I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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#86902

Shout it from the rooftops

You allow Russia to invade one country, you invite Russia to invade the next country.You allow Russia to shoot down one passenger plane, you invite Russia to shoot down the next passenger plane.You allow Russia to cut one undersea cable, you invite Russia to cut more undersea…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

You allow Russia to invade one country, you invite Russia to invade the next country.

You allow Russia to shoot down one passenger plane, you invite Russia to shoot down the next passenger plane.

You allow Russia to cut one undersea cable, you invite Russia to cut more undersea cables.

Summarized: if you don’t make Russia regret one thing and by staying ignorant effectively even reward that malicious behavior, you just postpone for a bigger disaster. No negotiations are going to remedy this situation. This is objective experience backed by facts.

#86904
2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I watch a lot of flight radar. It is an odd hobby from old days.

That is not a flight path. What is also odd is there are other Russian airports in the area and up north of there. Just seems odd an airplane in trouble would choose to cross over a large body of water.

Any pilots have any thoughts?

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#86905
Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

EAGLE S is escorted to Finnish territory, very likely arrested for sabotage by the Finnish authorities.Maybe we finally see some real action and consequenses? https://t.co/260p6JIaSK

 

#86906

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

This video shows what happened in the minutes before the plane crash in Kazakhstan. The plane repeatedly went up and down before crashing.
Survivors of Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Kazakhstan coming out from the wreckage.

 

#86908
58 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

One big question will be were there casualties while still in the air.

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

#86909
47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

Yeah, saw some of that but did not post. Fucked up situation. 

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#86910
2 hours ago, KYHorn said:
Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

And Chinese

#86911
13 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

This video shows what happened in the minutes before the plane crash in Kazakhstan. The plane repeatedly went up and down before crashing.
Survivors of Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash in Kazakhstan coming out from the wreckage.

 

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

#86912

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

#86913
1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.

#86914
3 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

#86915
26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

#86916
15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

#86919
I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.
I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.
#86921
58 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

Not taking anything away from them at all, don't get me wrong.

 

#86922
16 minutes ago, kevwun said:

That's not an area of the world I would be on an airplane in.

There is a wide swath around Ukraine and Russia with no overflight. But aircraft go into Grozny and Sochi all the time.

#86923

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

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#86924
I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.
#86925
2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

#86926
23 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.

Yep, unstrapping yourself under water, potentially sideways or upside down, is no joke.  I had to do some water training with a helicopter rig that was submerged and flipped upside down.  Even knowing it was in a swimming pool, and that there were divers 10 feet away, and having been walked through it beforehand, it was still tough.

#86927
2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Sullenberger caught a lot of shit initially for landing on the Hudson in 2009.  The FAA was kind of hellbent on proving that he could have made Newark or Teterboro.    Proof was in the pudding that there was no way to do so.

 

#86928
8 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

My brother witnessed this Pan Am airliner ditching just outside San Juan Bay, Puerto Rico in 1952. 
We were stationed at Fort Brooke which was located within the walls of El Morro at the time.

Brother was out on his bike delivering the Miami Herald newspaper at the time.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-record-1952-ny-flight-returnin/35018873/

#86929

Compressibility of water is very low. There is a reason the Brits designed a damn buster to sink like a depth charge rather than just bomb the dam from the dry side.

#86930
3 hours ago, kevwun said:

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

 

Or a Navy destroyer with a phalanx system accidentally left on. 

#86932

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

J28243-3D-Overview-Flightradar24-1024x677.jpg

#86933
1 hour ago, b_p said:

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

J28243-3D-Overview-Flightradar24-1024x677.jpg

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#86934

I can believe this. 
 

Kill and hide. Azerbaijani officials tell local media that Russia hit flight J2-8243 with an anti-aircraft missile and then jammed electronics and denied permission to land in three airports, steering the damaged plane into the Caspian Sea so that it would crash there and…

 

#86935

Has Russia ever agreed that their missiles and crew shot down the MH17 flight over Ukraine in 2014? They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it. Maybe there will be some payoff to the country leadership to let it drop.

#86936
Journalists asking questions from the Finnish police about the underwater cable sabotage:”Have you contacted Russian authorities?””No.””When will you contact them?””We won’t.” https://t.co/shaSIJUUbV

 

#86937

 

🚀🇺🇸🇺🇦 Ukraine had only “tens of ATACMS missiles” left — about 50, two U.S. officials said, - NYT 🇬🇧 Officials in Britain said that it didn’t have many more Storm Shadows to provide. ✅ Rob Bauer said that strikes by ATACMS forced Russia to move many logistics facilities farther back from the front.
#86938
3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Has Russia ever agreed that their missiles and crew shot down the MH17 flight over Ukraine in 2014? They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it. Maybe there will be some payoff to the country leadership to let it drop.

Igor Girkin kind of admitted to it.

#86939
42 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

🚀🇺🇸🇺🇦 Ukraine had only “tens of ATACMS missiles” left — about 50, two U.S. officials said, - NYT 🇬🇧 Officials in Britain said that it didn’t have many more Storm Shadows to provide. ✅ Rob Bauer said that strikes by ATACMS forced Russia to move many logistics facilities farther back from the front.

 

Well, that most definitely sucks.

#86940
Source: https://t.co/IWJvTaoVrj— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

The case around oil tankers Eagle-S, which is most certainly responsible for damaging the Estlink-2 undersea cable, is getting even more interesting. It appears that ship was not only involved in sabotage but in espionage, as well.

„The Eagle-S had transmitting and receiving devices installed that effectively allowed it to become a spy ship for Russia, Lloyd‘s List has learnt.“

„The hi-tech equipment on board was abnormal for a merchant ship and consumed more power from the ship’s generator, leading to repeated blackouts, a source familiar with the vessel who provided commercial maritime services to it as recently as seven months ago.“

I think the Finnish police has caught a major fish. This is a devastating strike against Russian spy agencies and another great embarrassment for Moscow.

“Hi-tech” Russian signals intelligence equipment was reportedly carried by the tanker Eagle S, currently in custody after reportedly cutting the Estlink-2 cable in the Baltic, per Lloyd’s List.“They were monitoring all Nato naval ships and aircraft,” Lloyd’s List was told.

 

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#86941
Russian decided to throw a grenade into approaching drone. However, it ricocheted off the parapet and flew straight into the shelter of his comrade. https://t.co/ZTlCKQpnr6

 

#86942
4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it.

40% of the US population would gleefully accept it.   

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#86943
7 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

40% of the US population would gleefully accept it.   

Until Pearl Harbor World War II was a European war. Roosevelt won reelection in 1940 in part campaigning on the idea he kept us out of it. 

90% of the population doesn't give a shit. Probably more. 

It's funny talking to people from other countries and trying to explain how overwhelmingly indifferent Americans are to foreign involvement. They sputter and infuriatingly point out all the activities the US has engaged in, how much the US uses its influence in foreign affairs, militarily, economically, and otherwise. The elites of this country have been responsible for all that. In my opinion, mostly for the good, and certainly for the benefit of Americans.

But in the vast majority of Americans' minds, we're better off undoing all the international linkages. As a populist message it's going to sell well. As an actual foreign policy, it's a nightmare that can't be undone. 

The general population honestly just doesn't give a shit about Russian atrocities. That's the blunt truth. 

#86944
11 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Until Pearl Harbor World War II was a European war. Roosevelt won reelection in 1940 in part campaigning on the idea he kept us out of it. 

This is exactly why he allowed the attack to occur unopposed

#86945
1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

But in the vast majority of Americans' minds, we're better off undoing all the international linkages. As a populist message it's going to sell well. As an actual foreign policy, it's a nightmare that can't be undone. 

They have no idea that a part of our economic might is tied to the fact that we are The Superpower in the world. Some of the dumbasses might even think it was a good thing if the USD stopped being the defacto world currency.

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

The general population honestly just doesn't give a shit about Russian atrocities. That's the blunt truth. 

Yep. Russians shoot down an airliner, few care.  Russians lob missiles at children's hospitals or schools, few care.

This war is weird as hell - way too many people are trying to pretend that Russia is straight-up trying to reclaim an empire by force.

#86946

 

A wounded Russian soldier records a video from a hospital in Moscow, saying that he’s sharing rooms North Koreans. He records them staring at Russian cartoons.He seems to consider them as aliens and is annoyed by them not knowing how to behave.

 

#86947

@Brisketexan apparently some of their hunter/killer drones have shotguns on them for taking out other drones and...I think it could easily work, and depending on the shotgun and ammo used, may not be much recoil.  It's a pain to get it in sight (you can see the camera moving up and down) but once they get close to the Russian drone, well it's a shotgun and it doesn't have to be dead-accurate.

 

THE UKRAINIAN DRONE HAS TWO SHOTGUNS.

 

lol

 

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#86948
[mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention] apparently some of their hunter/killer drones have shotguns on them for taking out other drones and...I think it could easily work, and depending on the shotgun and ammo used, may not be much recoil.  It's a pain to get it in sight (you can see the camera moving up and down) but once they get close to the Russian drone, well it's a shotgun and it doesn't have to be dead-accurate.
 
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#86949
Russian propagandist Solovyov: “Kyiv,Dnipro,Kharkiv,&Sumy need to be wiped off the face of the earth completely!” They used to say they wanted to "liberate" Ukrainians &"protect" Russian speakers in Ukraine.In reality,all they want is the destruction of Ukrainians&the expansion of Russian territory

 

#86950
Ukrainian forces have taken out 43-year-old Alexey Bugayev, former Russian national football team player. Bugayev, who played for Lokomotiv, Tom, and Krasnodar, appeared in 7 matches for Russia. In September, he was sentenced to 9.5 years in a high-security prison for drug trafficking.

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