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#92051

 I had GPT 5.1 analyze the original text of the 28 point plan to determine if it was original English or translated from another language (I kept my prompt vague). Here is what it determined:

Original text (from the Financial Times):

Spoiler

1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

GPT 5.1 analysis:

Spoiler

Below is a linguistic analysis of whether the document (or parts of it) appears to be a translation rather than originally written in English. I focus on lexical choices, syntax, formulaic expressions, coherence issues, and calques typical of translations from Slavic languages (especially Russian or Ukrainian), as well as EU-bureaucratic English.


Overall Judgment

Yes — this text very likely began life in another language, and there are multiple strong indicators that it is translated, probably from Russian (most likely) or possibly Ukrainian, with some portions influenced by EU-legal/administrative phraseology.

It does not read like an original English diplomatic memorandum. The signals of translation appear consistently throughout the document.


Key Linguistic Indicators of Translation

1. Repetition and unnatural phrasing

“A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement…”

  • The duplication is not native English.

  • This kind of repetition is common in machine-translated or poorly edited texts where two similar adjectives were present in the source and translated literally.

“All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.”

  • Native English would say “disputes,” “issues,” or “outstanding matters.”

  • “Ambiguities” is a calque from Russian/Ukrainian bureaucratic language (“неоднозначности,” “неясности”).


2. Frequent Slavic bureaucratic calques

“guarantee will be deemed invalid”

  • In English diplomatic writing: “the guarantee will lapse,” “will be void,” “will be forfeited.”

  • “Deemed invalid” is overly literal and resembles Russian считаться недействительной.

“A powerful global package of measures”

  • This is not natural native English phrasing.

  • Direct calque of мощный глобальный пакет мер.

“Relinquish other agreed territories”

  • “Relinquish” is unusual in this specific context; a Slavic-language original might use “откажется от” (“renounce”).

“frozen along the line of contact”

  • Native English would say “remain fixed along the line of contact” or “the boundary will be frozen at the current line of contact.”

  • Calque structure.


3. Unnatural sequence and structuring

The list feels like it was organized according to source-language logic, not English drafting conventions:

  • Overuse of numbered subpoints (Slavic and EU style).

  • Dense, bureaucratic stacking of clauses.

  • Inconsistent detail level (e.g., suddenly specifying “100 days” for elections but vague elsewhere).


4. Lexical choices that feel translated

Several terms are used in ways that do not feel idiomatic in English diplomatic/legal drafting:

  • “all global sanctions will be reinstated”
    → Typically “reimposed,” not “reinstated.”

  • “future economic development”
    → Redundant; reads like a direct translation of будущее экономическое развитие.

  • “extraction of minerals and natural resources”
    → Redundant (minerals are natural resources). Literal translation.

  • “Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched…”
    → “Launched” is incorrect; English would say “restarted,” “brought back online.”
    → “Launched” matches Russian “запущен.”


5. Explicit legalistic formulations typical of translations

Examples:

  • “This agreement will be legally binding.”

  • “Sanctions will be imposed for violations.”

  • “undertake to implement”

  • “undertake not to change these arrangements by force”

These are not wrong, but the cumulative density is characteristic of translated intergovernmental legal texts, not original English drafting.


6. Specific calques from Russian diplomatic language

“freeze” used as verb for territory

Russian uses заморозить конфликт / заморозить линию much more frequently and literally than English.

“de facto recognised”

English would more often say:

  • “recognized as de facto Russian control,”
    not recognised as de facto Russian.

The phrasing aligns with Russian syntactic patterns.

“All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.”

This is typical rhetorical phrasing found in Russian state documents.


7. Inconsistency and odd register shifts

At times, phrases jump from legalistic to colloquial:

  • “fast-growing industries, including technology”

  • “mutually beneficial corporate opportunities”

This mixed register is common in texts that are translated or compiled from multilingual sources.


Conclusion

Strong likelihood: The document (or major portions of it) is a translation, very probably from Russian, possibly Ukrainian, and influenced by EU-bureaucratic drafting styles.

If I had to estimate:

  • 70–80% probability: originally written in Russian.

  • 20–30% probability: originally in Ukrainian, but the structure matches Russian diplomatic drafting more closely.

  • Almost 0% probability: originally written in idiomatic English.

 

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#92052
15 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

 I had GPT 5.1 analyze the original text of the 28 point plan to determine if it was original English or translated from another language (I kept my prompt vague). Here is what it determined:

Original text (from the Financial Times):

  Reveal hidden contents

1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

GPT 5.1 analysis:

  Reveal hidden contents

Below is a linguistic analysis of whether the document (or parts of it) appears to be a translation rather than originally written in English. I focus on lexical choices, syntax, formulaic expressions, coherence issues, and calques typical of translations from Slavic languages (especially Russian or Ukrainian), as well as EU-bureaucratic English.


Overall Judgment

Yes — this text very likely began life in another language, and there are multiple strong indicators that it is translated, probably from Russian (most likely) or possibly Ukrainian, with some portions influenced by EU-legal/administrative phraseology.

It does not read like an original English diplomatic memorandum. The signals of translation appear consistently throughout the document.


Key Linguistic Indicators of Translation

1. Repetition and unnatural phrasing

“A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement…”

  • The duplication is not native English.

  • This kind of repetition is common in machine-translated or poorly edited texts where two similar adjectives were present in the source and translated literally.

“All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.”

  • Native English would say “disputes,” “issues,” or “outstanding matters.”

  • “Ambiguities” is a calque from Russian/Ukrainian bureaucratic language (“неоднозначности,” “неясности”).


2. Frequent Slavic bureaucratic calques

“guarantee will be deemed invalid”

  • In English diplomatic writing: “the guarantee will lapse,” “will be void,” “will be forfeited.”

  • “Deemed invalid” is overly literal and resembles Russian считаться недействительной.

“A powerful global package of measures”

  • This is not natural native English phrasing.

  • Direct calque of мощный глобальный пакет мер.

“Relinquish other agreed territories”

  • “Relinquish” is unusual in this specific context; a Slavic-language original might use “откажется от” (“renounce”).

“frozen along the line of contact”

  • Native English would say “remain fixed along the line of contact” or “the boundary will be frozen at the current line of contact.”

  • Calque structure.


3. Unnatural sequence and structuring

The list feels like it was organized according to source-language logic, not English drafting conventions:

  • Overuse of numbered subpoints (Slavic and EU style).

  • Dense, bureaucratic stacking of clauses.

  • Inconsistent detail level (e.g., suddenly specifying “100 days” for elections but vague elsewhere).


4. Lexical choices that feel translated

Several terms are used in ways that do not feel idiomatic in English diplomatic/legal drafting:

  • “all global sanctions will be reinstated”
    → Typically “reimposed,” not “reinstated.”

  • “future economic development”
    → Redundant; reads like a direct translation of будущее экономическое развитие.

  • “extraction of minerals and natural resources”
    → Redundant (minerals are natural resources). Literal translation.

  • “Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched…”
    → “Launched” is incorrect; English would say “restarted,” “brought back online.”
    → “Launched” matches Russian “запущен.”


5. Explicit legalistic formulations typical of translations

Examples:

  • “This agreement will be legally binding.”

  • “Sanctions will be imposed for violations.”

  • “undertake to implement”

  • “undertake not to change these arrangements by force”

These are not wrong, but the cumulative density is characteristic of translated intergovernmental legal texts, not original English drafting.


6. Specific calques from Russian diplomatic language

“freeze” used as verb for territory

Russian uses заморозить конфликт / заморозить линию much more frequently and literally than English.

“de facto recognised”

English would more often say:

  • “recognized as de facto Russian control,”
    not recognised as de facto Russian.

The phrasing aligns with Russian syntactic patterns.

“All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.”

This is typical rhetorical phrasing found in Russian state documents.


7. Inconsistency and odd register shifts

At times, phrases jump from legalistic to colloquial:

  • “fast-growing industries, including technology”

  • “mutually beneficial corporate opportunities”

This mixed register is common in texts that are translated or compiled from multilingual sources.


Conclusion

Strong likelihood: The document (or major portions of it) is a translation, very probably from Russian, possibly Ukrainian, and influenced by EU-bureaucratic drafting styles.

If I had to estimate:

  • 70–80% probability: originally written in Russian.

  • 20–30% probability: originally in Ukrainian, but the structure matches Russian diplomatic drafting more closely.

  • Almost 0% probability: originally written in idiomatic English.

 

Did you let Chat know that the purported authors are really really stupid? 

#92053
The U.S. is reportedly no longer pressuring Zelensky to sign the peace plan by Thursday, November 27. Deadlines may now be more flexible, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
After yesterday’s talks in Geneva, Trump’s proposed peace plan has been cut from 28 to 19 points, according to the Financial Times. Sources didn’t specify which provisions were removed. Ukrainian adviser Bevz earlier confirmed some points were dropped and others revised during… https://t.co/XezkHKQYy4

 

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#92057
3 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

God, what a rollercoaster. This is what it's like to be an Aggie year in and year out.

They can always get a new coach.  Russians on the other hand are screwed.  When things go south, they are really going to go south.  

#92058
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:
Strike location 45.974052, 33.789371https://t.co/KXZ8B8dscT

 

More on the way…

Panic is spreading across Russian monitoring channels as reports claim a massive drone wave, up to 150 UAVs, is heading toward occupied Crimea from the sea, launched from the direction of Odesa. Alerts are being issued for Sevastopol and surrounding areas, fearing a coordinated swarm attack.

 

#92059
24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They can always get a new coach.  Russians on the other hand are screwed.  When things go south, they are really going to go south.  

The Russians need a new coach.  But the buy out is a real killer. 

#92060
45 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They can always get a new coach.  Russians on the other hand are screwed.  When things go south, they are really going to go south.  

Throughout the entirety of human history, we have always underestimate Russians' capacity to weather suffering. None of the financial ruin forecasting moves the needle for me. The people will just grin and bear it like they always have.

#92061
4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Throughout the entirety of human history, we have always underestimate Russians' capacity to weather suffering. None of the financial ruin forecasting moves the needle for me. The people will just grin and bear it like they always have.

Agree. I share this concern.  And I think the smart and/or soft ones have already left.  

#92062
7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Throughout the entirety of human history, we have always underestimate Russians' capacity to weather suffering. None of the financial ruin forecasting moves the needle for me. The people will just grin and bear it like they always have.

Old Soviet Union, pensioners, yeah.

Young people without the use of Internet and cell phones? 

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When Germany attacked the Soviet Union the people were responding to suffering caused by someone else. Now they are suffering because of what Putin and Russia did.  

The contract the people made with Putin is “you can do what you want and get as rich as you want, and your friends can too, but in return, you agree to give us a reasonable lifestyle and some measure of financial and personal security”

I have doubts that the entirety of Russia will furrow their brow and plod on.  We’ll see. 

 

#92063
7 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Old Soviet Union, pensioners, yeah.

Young people without the use of Internet and cell phones? 

IMG_3074.gif.1f4ec39e4cbbec34ff8f94ea8fa08318.gif

When Germany attacked the Soviet Union the people were responding to suffering caused by someone else. Now they are suffering because of what Putin and Russia did.  

The contract the people made with Putin is “you can do what you want and get as rich as you want, and your friends can too, but in return, you agree to give us a reasonable lifestyle and some measure of financial and personal security”

I have doubts that the entirety of Russia will furrow their brow and plod on.  We’ll see. 

 

This is also true.  Can't wait to see how it all turns out, just hope it gets to turning out sooner rather than later.

Man, I'll never understand why Prigozhin turned around.  He was fully committed and had people on his side.  Moscow was wide open.  He had to know he was a dead man walking if he didn't succeed.  I'll never understand it.

 

#92064
6 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 I had GPT 5.1 analyze the original text of the 28 point plan to determine if it was original English or translated from another language (I kept my prompt vague). Here is what it determined:

Original text (from the Financial Times):

  Hide contents

1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

GPT 5.1 analysis:

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Below is a linguistic analysis of whether the document (or parts of it) appears to be a translation rather than originally written in English. I focus on lexical choices, syntax, formulaic expressions, coherence issues, and calques typical of translations from Slavic languages (especially Russian or Ukrainian), as well as EU-bureaucratic English.


Overall Judgment

Yes — this text very likely began life in another language, and there are multiple strong indicators that it is translated, probably from Russian (most likely) or possibly Ukrainian, with some portions influenced by EU-legal/administrative phraseology.

It does not read like an original English diplomatic memorandum. The signals of translation appear consistently throughout the document.


Key Linguistic Indicators of Translation

1. Repetition and unnatural phrasing

“A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement…”

  • The duplication is not native English.

  • This kind of repetition is common in machine-translated or poorly edited texts where two similar adjectives were present in the source and translated literally.

“All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.”

  • Native English would say “disputes,” “issues,” or “outstanding matters.”

  • “Ambiguities” is a calque from Russian/Ukrainian bureaucratic language (“неоднозначности,” “неясности”).


2. Frequent Slavic bureaucratic calques

“guarantee will be deemed invalid”

  • In English diplomatic writing: “the guarantee will lapse,” “will be void,” “will be forfeited.”

  • “Deemed invalid” is overly literal and resembles Russian считаться недействительной.

“A powerful global package of measures”

  • This is not natural native English phrasing.

  • Direct calque of мощный глобальный пакет мер.

“Relinquish other agreed territories”

  • “Relinquish” is unusual in this specific context; a Slavic-language original might use “откажется от” (“renounce”).

“frozen along the line of contact”

  • Native English would say “remain fixed along the line of contact” or “the boundary will be frozen at the current line of contact.”

  • Calque structure.


3. Unnatural sequence and structuring

The list feels like it was organized according to source-language logic, not English drafting conventions:

  • Overuse of numbered subpoints (Slavic and EU style).

  • Dense, bureaucratic stacking of clauses.

  • Inconsistent detail level (e.g., suddenly specifying “100 days” for elections but vague elsewhere).


4. Lexical choices that feel translated

Several terms are used in ways that do not feel idiomatic in English diplomatic/legal drafting:

  • “all global sanctions will be reinstated”
    → Typically “reimposed,” not “reinstated.”

  • “future economic development”
    → Redundant; reads like a direct translation of будущее экономическое развитие.

  • “extraction of minerals and natural resources”
    → Redundant (minerals are natural resources). Literal translation.

  • “Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched…”
    → “Launched” is incorrect; English would say “restarted,” “brought back online.”
    → “Launched” matches Russian “запущен.”


5. Explicit legalistic formulations typical of translations

Examples:

  • “This agreement will be legally binding.”

  • “Sanctions will be imposed for violations.”

  • “undertake to implement”

  • “undertake not to change these arrangements by force”

These are not wrong, but the cumulative density is characteristic of translated intergovernmental legal texts, not original English drafting.


6. Specific calques from Russian diplomatic language

“freeze” used as verb for territory

Russian uses заморозить конфликт / заморозить линию much more frequently and literally than English.

“de facto recognised”

English would more often say:

  • “recognized as de facto Russian control,”
    not recognised as de facto Russian.

The phrasing aligns with Russian syntactic patterns.

“All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.”

This is typical rhetorical phrasing found in Russian state documents.


7. Inconsistency and odd register shifts

At times, phrases jump from legalistic to colloquial:

  • “fast-growing industries, including technology”

  • “mutually beneficial corporate opportunities”

This mixed register is common in texts that are translated or compiled from multilingual sources.


Conclusion

Strong likelihood: The document (or major portions of it) is a translation, very probably from Russian, possibly Ukrainian, and influenced by EU-bureaucratic drafting styles.

If I had to estimate:

  • 70–80% probability: originally written in Russian.

  • 20–30% probability: originally in Ukrainian, but the structure matches Russian diplomatic drafting more closely.

  • Almost 0% probability: originally written in idiomatic English.

 

Interesting.

I did a similar prompt with Gemini:

 

 

It is highly likely that this text was originally written in another language (most likely Russian) and then translated into English, or at the very least, it is a rough draft heavily influenced by non-native speakers.

Based on linguistic markers and the specific errors included in the text you provided (such as the [sic] markers), here is the evidence that points to translation:

 

1. The "Comprehensive and Comprehensive" Error

 

The phrase in Point 2, "A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement," is a classic "translation stutter."

  • Likely Origin: In Russian diplomatic correspondence, a standard phrase is "полное и всеобъемлющее" (polnoye i vseob'yemlyushcheye), which translates to "full and comprehensive."

  • The Glitch: A machine translation tool or a fatigued human translator likely translated both distinct Russian adjectives into their closest English equivalent ("comprehensive") without catching the redundancy. The fact that your text includes [sic] indicates that the English editor noticed this error but left it in to preserve the original document's exact wording.

 

2. Transliteration of "Zaporizhzhya"

 

In Point 19, the text uses the spelling "Zaporizhzhya".

  • The Clue: Standard English diplomatic texts (like those from the US State Department or UK Foreign Office) typically use the BGN/PCGN standard spelling "Zaporizhzhia" (ending in -ia).

     

  • The Origin: The -ya ending is a direct transliteration of the Cyrillic ending (я), which is common when translating directly from Ukrainian (Запоріжжя) or Russian (Запорожье) without using a standardized English style guide. The inclusion of [sic] again suggests the editor flagged this as non-standard spelling.

 

3. Grammatical Structure & Tone

 

The sentence structure throughout the document relies heavily on passive voice and bureaucratic phrasing that mirrors Slavic syntax rather than native English diplomatic writing.

  • Example (Point 1): "Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed." A native English drafter would likely write "The Parties shall confirm..." or "Russia and the US affirm..." The passive "will be confirmed" is a direct mapping of reflexive Russian verbs (e.g., подтвердится).

  • Example (Point 10): "If Ukraine launches a missile... without cause." The phrase "without cause" is legally vague in English. In Russian, there might be a more specific term like безосновательно (groundlessly) which makes more sense in a civil law context but translates poorly into a common law contract.

 

4. "False Friend" Concepts

 

Some concepts appear to be translated literally rather than localized for Western diplomatic understanding.

  • "Educational programmes... in schools and society": This phrasing (Point 20) echoes Soviet or post-Soviet bureaucratic language regarding "social engineering" or state-mandated ideology, which is less common in American legal drafts.

  • "The US will receive compensation for the guarantee": This is blunt and transactional language ("compensation") that sounds like a direct translation of a business term (possibly компенсация or возмещение), whereas a native US English draft would likely use terms like "cost-sharing," "burden-sharing," or "financial offset."

 

Conclusion

 

The text is almost certainly a translation of a draft proposal originating from Russian negotiators or a non-native English speaking working group. The specific errors (redundant adjectives, non-standard transliteration) are "fingerprints" of a document that was thought out in Russian and processed into English, likely with some reliance on automated translation tools or non-native drafting.

#92065
14 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, I'll never understand why Prigozhin turned around.  He was fully committed and had people on his side.  Moscow was wide open.  He had to know he was a dead man walking if he didn't succeed.  I'll never understand it.

It is a mystery.  One of the great “what ifs”.

Imagine if there was somebody of his stature still around now, with his forces.  

#92066
31 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It is a mystery.  One of the great “what ifs”.

Imagine if there was somebody of his stature still around now, with his forces.  

I mean, he was no better than Putin.  They were of the same cloth.  But what if they were too busy throwing rocks at each other to be bothered with Ukraine? And we benefitted by having two awful people in a knife fight with each other?  

It seems like nothing but good could have come for the people of Ukraine and the US from that scenario.  Though the people of Russia...maybe not so much.  

In any case, we'll never know.

#92067
Russia’s economy has turned into a militarized, "two-speed" system in which the military-industrial complex and war rents prop up growth by draining resources from the private sector and normal civilian industries.Russian economy and the Russian regions are kept afloat by the…


Russia’s economy has turned into a militarized, "two-speed" system in which the military-industrial complex and war rents prop up growth by draining resources from the private sector and normal civilian industries. 

Russian economy and the Russian regions are kept afloat by the war and state procurement, while the civilian sector and most regions are slipping into stagnation. Rising incomes and employment are essentially a bubble inflated by federal spending and a labor shortage, and by 2026 regional budgets risk falling into the red - meaning that ending the war without deep restructuring will almost certainly trigger a new, severe economic collapse. 

The reforms and structural changes needed to escape this trap are politically out of reach for the Kremlin. As a result, the regime’s goal is not to prevent a crisis, but to avert a collapse:

  • prolong the "neither war nor peace" mode withing the country for as long as possible while maintaining high military spending;
  • intensify manual redistribution of resources in favor of the defense sector and "loyal" regions;
  • mask the deterioration in living standards with statistics and propaganda;
  • rely on gray export schemes and partial sanction relief without changing course.

In this context, Moscow’s interest in "peace negotiations" is not an attempt to end the war, but an effort to secure a favorable pause: to freeze the front and its territorial seizures, extract partial sanctions relief, and buy time to stretch out the inevitable crisis into a long, managed stagnation of the wartime economy.

#92068

Russians have upped their game, going from attacking Ukrainian apartment buildings to Russian apartment buildings

Major Ukrainian drone attack underway on Russia’s Black Sea coast near Novorossiysk tonight. Seen here, a Russian surface to air missile intercepts a Russian apartment building.

In the middle of a Pink Floyd concert, gunfire broke out.

pic.twitter.com/7kyV8pFhSX

 

#92069
A Ukrainian cruise missile hit Russia’s Taganrog airfield tonight, sparking a major fire.
Taganrog, Rostov region, in Russia is right now under attack. Fires can be seen for multiple locations. Apparently, the local military airfield is the target.— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

 

#92072
44 minutes ago, Foggy Notion said:
✈️🔥 The A-60 was preliminarily destroyed in Taganrog!

 

Is this just Ukraine messing with them or just a target of opportunity?  Wonder why the Russians had it within range.

BREAKING:Ukrainian suicide drone have struck and completely destroyed Russia’s Beriev A-60 experimental airborne laser laboratory aircraft in Taganrog.The plane was designed as a testbed for Russian high-energy laser weapons and was worth tens of million dollars.

 

#92073

Looks like they have it dialed in as far as knowing where air defense is at.

BREAKING:Ukraine launches a major missile and drone attack against Crimea and southern Russia

 

#92074
26 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Looks like they have it dialed in as far as knowing where air defense is at.

BREAKING:Ukraine launches a major missile and drone attack against Crimea and southern Russia

 

Narrator:

There is no air defense

#92075

Others have mentioned this, but still feels anecdotal. The body armor and helmets.

Ukrainian drone bomber operators of the 66th Mechanized Brigade note that Russian soldiers are increasingly going into battle without body armor and helmets. https://t.co/gTtTrO6ucg

 

Edited by atomheartbevo

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#92076
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz has ruled out Russia’s G8 return, pushing back on a disputed US “peace plan” and saying: “I do not see any willingness to accept Russia back into this group.”👉 https://t.co/uCUTigtTDP

 

#92077
6 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

The Russians need a new coach.  But the buy out is a real killer. 

Some might say it would cripple the program or end it all together.

#92078
10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Others have mentioned this, but still feels anecdotal. The body armor and helmets.

Ukrainian drone bomber operators of the 66th Mechanized Brigade note that Russian soldiers are increasingly going into battle without body armor and helmets. https://t.co/gTtTrO6ucg

 

Apparently Putin is unfamiliar with the failures of Germany during the Russian invasion during WW II which seems.. curious.

#92080
Russia's Taganrog airfield is ablaze tonight after a Ukrainian cruise missile attack, as seen in new NASA FIRMS fire detection imagery.Ukrainian forces likely hit and destroyed at least one IL-76-based aircraft.

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Lately it feels like either they've really worn down air defenses, or they are doing something different, but it seems like they are hitting targets multiple times.  It's not a single drone or missile flying into something or making it through air defenses, it's 2 or more.

And you'd think Russia would protect their airfields a little better (even though the aircraft that was hit was not actively helping in Ukraine, it's still a loss of an airframe that probably won't be replaced).

#92082

If a peace deal is about to be signed, you might as well throw everything to harm Russia as much as possible in any remaining days.

The number of casualties has been horrific but I'm unsure that the US has ever had such an successful war in terms of exposing and damaging an enemy without the loss of American military. Not to mention that its greatly increased the use of drones in combat that we should be able to be a leader in this technology as well. 

#92083
15 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Is this just Ukraine messing with them or just a target of opportunity?  Wonder why the Russians had it within range.

BREAKING:Ukrainian suicide drone have struck and completely destroyed Russia’s Beriev A-60 experimental airborne laser laboratory aircraft in Taganrog.The plane was designed as a testbed for Russian high-energy laser weapons and was worth tens of million dollars.

 

Tagnarog is the home of Beriev, famous for amphibious maritime patrol planes.  But also Beriev does a lot of one off or limited conversions of standard line aircraft into specialized mission aircraft.  Think of L3 or the like in the US.  My guess is that the A-60 wasn't really being used for anything which is why it was parked there in range of weapons.  While blowing it up may give good feels, it really doesn't change anything on the ground or in the air.  In other words, I'll bet this particular airframe was either not airworthy, or the experiments it was intended for were put on indefinite hold by the war. 

#92084
47 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If a peace deal is about to be signed, you might as well throw everything to harm Russia as much as possible in any remaining days.

The number of casualties has been horrific but I'm unsure that the US has ever had such an successful war in terms of exposing and damaging an enemy without the loss of American military. Not to mention that its greatly increased the use of drones in combat that we should be able to be a leader in this technology as well. 

First, I don't think we're anywhere near a peace deal.  

Second, whether we are or not, the Ukrainians may as well do as much harm to Russia in any days.  Play until the whistle blows. 

In short, why is today different than any other day?

#92086
37 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

First, I don't think we're anywhere near a peace deal.  

Great point especially in that Russia already certainly dictated their terms to the US and is most likely not open to any real change including limited US/Europe enforcement of any "restriction" from Russia.

#92087

I tend to think there will be a redrawing of borders that will give Ukraine everything that they currently hold. I also think that restrictions placed on Ukraine will mean literally nothing. The US, NATO, and EU will simply look the other way, and it will be up to the Russians to inspect and plead their case that Ukraine is in violation. Ain't no Russian got time for dat. 

CHIEF

#92088
2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

First, I don't think we're anywhere near a peace deal.  

Second, whether we are or not, the Ukrainians may as well do as much harm to Russia in any days.  Play until the whistle blows. 

In short, why is today different than any other day?

I don’t think Ukraine needs the United States to hang on long enough for Russia to implode.  Moscow and Saint Petersburg peeps aren’t going to stay silent in their luxury apartments without electricity or heat this winter.

Russia has no air defense. This is only gonna get worse for Russia.  Ukraine just needs to slow-roll any peace talks with the  assistance of our European allies until they have enough stock for a 50 ICBM launch at more power plants.  and then Russians can give each other IOU for potatoes for Christmas gifts.

#92089

I don’t think Russia will accept anything pitched by the EU and Ukraine.  The EU’s plan had some things designed to deliberately piss off Moscow like NATO membership.  

Ukraine has been increasing production of certain systems and I’m wondering if we are seeing the results or if Russian AD really is dropping off.  

#92090
I don’t think Ukraine needs the United States to hang on long enough for Russia to implode.  Moscow and Saint Petersburg peeps aren’t going to stay silent in their luxury apartments without electricity or heat this winter.
Russia has no air defense. This is only gonna get worse for Russia.  Ukraine just needs to slow-roll any peace talks with the  assistance of our European allies until they have enough stock for a 50 ICBM launch at more power plants.  and then Russians can give each other IOU for potatoes for Christmas gifts.

I’m with you, especially since lines will solidify quite a bit over coming week as the ground turns to complete slop. Ukraine is set to dominate the sky next year and moving forward… even with troop shortages that will allow them to thoroughly disrupt every aspect of the Russian military and economy.
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#92091
48 minutes ago, Party_Taco said:


I’m with you, especially since lines will solidify quite a bit over coming week as the ground turns to complete slop. Ukraine is set to dominate the sky next year and moving forward… even with troop shortages that will allow them to thoroughly disrupt every aspect of the Russian military and economy.

Putin will no longer be in Power by June.  If I’m wrong, I’ll give you assholes $1000 for NIL.

#92092
11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Putin will no longer be in Power by June.  If I’m wrong, I’ll give you assholes $1000 for NIL.

From your lips to Satan's ears.

#92094
https://t.co/R2HrbmcQJMCurrent options: Raising prices for cargo, raising subsidies, cutting taxes, deploying money from the National Wealth Fund, capping interest rates on debt, and converting its debts into stakes (offloading that debt to state banks).

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/russia-weighs-how-prop-up-russian-railways-which-is-51-billion-debt-sources-2025-11-25/

 

Prices for Chinese export goods to Russia have increased by 87% during the last 12 months. Compare this with the West and you see that in the same amount of time prices increased only by 9%.If you overlay this with extremely low energy prices China is paying for Russian energy,…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

 

Edited by atomheartbevo

#92095
Satellite images released by TG channel Dnipro Official show the result of the last night’s operation against the Beriev Aviation and Scientific Complex Facility. These are results: - one experimental A-60 flying laboratory, a carrier of laser weapons was destroyed - one…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Satellite images released by TG channel Dnipro Official show the result of the last night’s operation against the Beriev Aviation and Scientific Complex Facility. 

These are results:

- one experimental A-60 flying laboratory, a carrier of laser weapons was destroyed

- one Russian heavy military transport type Il-76 aircraft was destroyed

- The factory also suffered significant damage, particularly the final assembly shop

- In addition to the aircraft and the shop, a S-400 air defense position was hit, the consequences are difficult to determine from the satellite

#92096
1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Putin will no longer be in Power by June.  If I’m wrong, I’ll give you assholes $1000 for NIL.

I love this.

Sorta like a "cell phone flop out".

Edited by Orange&White

#92097
5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Putin will no longer be in Power by June.  If I’m wrong, I’ll give you assholes $1000 for NIL.

I pray the extremist regime will collapse by next June.  Theirs . . . Or ours.  

#92098
4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
https://t.co/R2HrbmcQJMCurrent options: Raising prices for cargo, raising subsidies, cutting taxes, deploying money from the National Wealth Fund, capping interest rates on debt, and converting its debts into stakes (offloading that debt to state banks).

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/russia-weighs-how-prop-up-russian-railways-which-is-51-billion-debt-sources-2025-11-25/

 

 

 

They should just write it off.

#92099
18 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
Russia's Taganrog airfield is ablaze tonight after a Ukrainian cruise missile attack, as seen in new NASA FIRMS fire detection imagery.Ukrainian forces likely hit and destroyed at least one IL-76-based aircraft.

G6kfnUqXoAArtfq?format=png&name=900x900

 

Lately it feels like either they've really worn down air defenses, or they are doing something different, but it seems like they are hitting targets multiple times.  It's not a single drone or missile flying into something or making it through air defenses, it's 2 or more.

And you'd think Russia would protect their airfields a little better (even though the aircraft that was hit was not actively helping in Ukraine, it's still a loss of an airframe that probably won't be replaced).

 

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:
Satellite images released by TG channel Dnipro Official show the result of the last night’s operation against the Beriev Aviation and Scientific Complex Facility. These are results: - one experimental A-60 flying laboratory, a carrier of laser weapons was destroyed - one…— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Satellite images released by TG channel Dnipro Official show the result of the last night’s operation against the Beriev Aviation and Scientific Complex Facility. 

These are results:

- one experimental A-60 flying laboratory, a carrier of laser weapons was destroyed

- one Russian heavy military transport type Il-76 aircraft was destroyed

- The factory also suffered significant damage, particularly the final assembly shop

- In addition to the aircraft and the shop, a S-400 air defense position was hit, the consequences are difficult to determine from the satellite

That plane doesn't look like it has moved since February 2002, the latest version on Google Earth.

Perhaps the laser weapons it carried destroyed the plane ... from the inside.

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