February 28, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: This is seriously amazing. I hope she had someone waving a Ukrainian flag to alert any NLAWs in the area that it is a friendly.
February 28, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, MillerEP said: Ukrainians are asking those in their prisons if they want to fight, they will be released and their sentences commuted if I'm understanding him correctly. Of course Ukraine would bring in the Suicide Squad.
February 28, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, MillerEP said: LOL, how convenient for the IOC. After they gave the slap on the wrist and let Russia off easy, they want others to do the heavy lifting, full well knowing in 4 years they'll be able to pull some slap the wrist maneuver again. Fuck them.
February 28, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, MillerEP said: Glad to see it to hopefully stamp down on the blatant propaganda , but who gets to pick how we determine “other state-affiliated media outlets”? The slippery slope here is obvious and leads to a cliff of a potential one sided information paradigm by label large swaths of news government propaganda
February 28, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said: This is seriously amazing. I hope she had someone waving a Ukrainian flag to alert any NLAWs in the area that it is a friendly. I'm curious how that would work. Fly a Ukranian flag to let everyone know it's been taken? What would stop Russians from using a Ukranian flag to avoid attack?
February 28, 20223 yr putin pulls out, that's gotta be absolutely humiliating and his grip on power drops as quickly as the ruble has. concessions in the breakaway regions would save some face, but thats not what putins intentions were. and the widespread, unified support of ukraine and condemnation of russia gives them all the negotiating power, they don't need to concede anything. putin either has an A in the deck, or folds.. i'm not seeing a middle-ground here.
February 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Orange&White said: Totally coincidentally, half of them are former Unites States Navy SEALS who still possess all of their equipment.
February 28, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said: LOL, how convenient for the IOC. After they gave the slap on the wrist and let Russia off easy, they want others to do the heavy lifting, full well knowing in 4 years they'll be able to pull some slap the wrist maneuver again. Fuck them. 2 years the next olympics is in 2024
February 28, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said: It's not wishcasting at all. For the first time, pretty much ever, the Swiss are freezing Russian assets. My sister in law lives in Geneva - there's Russians with massive sums of money that are frozen. They never thought that could happen and they are 100% panicking. I don't give a shit who you are. If you have dozens of billionaires losing 100's of millions of dollars each because of you, and only you...then yes, absolutely your life is in very real danger. These are all facts. Is it possible nothing happens to Putin? Of course, but it's not wishcasting to assume he's in very real danger. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This. I couldn't imagine a scenario where 99% of the world is united in a cause. Putin united us all! Cheers!
February 28, 20223 yr Just now, BillyGoatHill said: Did you not understand that the whole post was a joke? Or do you think I really believe that thousands of former Navy SEALS still possessed all of their fighting equipment and also volunteered to go to Ukraine all at the same time?
February 28, 20223 yr Russian Central Bank just raised interest rate to 20%Dammit! There goes my Dacha HELOC
February 28, 20223 yr This is an incredible amount of pressure. Good to see the world generally come together for this.
February 28, 20223 yr I'm terrified of mission creep and the risk of nuclear escalation. But think of our regrets for not getting more involved on Rwanda, Kosova, etc. Navy SEALS are...vacationing...in Kiev. Poland is donating fighter jets. We're stacking up weapons and ammo at the Ukrainian border. Our pretense of uninvolvement is gone. So it's time to enter the air war. NATO F15/16/18/22/35's and A 10 "Brrrrt's" need to go take over the airspace and blow up anything with a white z on it. Edited February 28, 20223 yr by Parliament
February 28, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, mdmost said: CNN is saying the Ukrainian Navy reports that the Snake Island defenders are "alive and well". Can we get them all to Oak Island and money pit?
February 28, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, GabrielsHorn said: I wonder if he sits all alone way down at the end of the table like that because he's afraid one of those toadies might shank him?
February 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Parliament said: I'm terrified of mission creep and the risk of nuclear escalation. But think of our regrets for not getting more involved on Rwanda, Kosova, etc. Navy SEALS are...vacationing...in Kiev. Poland is donating fighter jets. We're stacking up weapons ammo at the Ukrainian border. Our pretense of uninvolvement is gone. So it's time to enter the air war. NATO F 15/16/18/22/35's and A 10 "Brrrrt's" need to go take over the airspace and blow up anything with a white z on it. 100% agree. I feel like it is our duty to assist.
February 28, 20223 yr I hope they reconsider, it could help provide safe corridors for refugees to get out.
February 28, 20223 yr https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1RDxlgYENZNJL ^UN General Special Session just started.
February 28, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said: I know this is 99% bullshit/propaganda but it cracks me up and I hope Putin believes it. All tanks operators seeing it and believing in the option helps a lot more.
February 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: 100% agree. I feel like it is our duty to assist. Very difficult to separate the concepts of "boots on the ground" and "aerial assistance".
February 28, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said: 100% agree. I feel like it is our duty to assist. The civilian areas of many cities are being indiscriminately target with cluster and fuel-air bombs. Both are war crimes. Ukraine will win without our help, but we can't let Russia kill civilians. We worry about it go nuclear, and we should. The appropriate action isn't always easy, but it IS simple: When you don't know what to do, just do the right thing. Edited February 28, 20223 yr by Parliament
February 28, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, crash_davis said: I said long upthread that China is going to watch how the world reacts to this as a litmus test for an invasion into Taiwan or other "disputed" territories with their neighbors in Asia. I thought the world would be silent cucks but the world is rejecting this bullshit. Genocide within China's border is one thing. Invading a neighboring country may be the new line that you can't cross. Here's to hoping anyway. 1 hour ago, phdhorn said: Good points, and of course I don't want to jump the gun or too broadly infer, but this seems to be a clear signal that China only goes so far. One thing China will never do, unlike Mad Vlad, is to jump into something because it tickles their balls. To quietly start lopping off Russian credits on about their only remaining good source of income is a subtle but decisive statement. Like you, I'm hoping that the Chinese are seeing the amazing unification of NATO Europe and a lot of new trade customers, and responding accordingly. I agree. The one thing where it could get interesting is if the US somehow got dragged into an actual war in Europe. If we started committing troops and engaging in actual combat, I could see China looking at that as an opportunity to test our two-front military doctrine that we've mostly maintained since the end of WWII. If we were engaged with Russia in Europe, could we effectively stand against China making a move on Taiwan in the Pacific? Maybe, maybe not, but that would be their real opportunity if it were to come to pass. I don't think that is going to happen, and I think China has come to that conclusion as well.
February 28, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said: 2 years the next olympics is in 2024 I stand corrected on the timeline but they'll definitely be bending over whenever the time comes to punish Russia. Fuck the IOC. Fuck Russia. Just saw a kid getting chemo in a bomb shelter on one of the TV's in a patient room. You want to talk about something infuriating. I literally couldn't think straight after seeing that.
February 28, 20223 yr Exposed. What is scary are the Chechnya sweeper types they will send in or have already the murder types. The horrific type stuff.Like the Allies did in Italy with the French Moroccans, albeit w/o that express goal
February 28, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said: I wonder if he sits all alone way down at the end of the table like that because he's afraid one of those toadies might shank him? Duh!
February 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Sbbruin said: Very difficult to separate the concepts of "boots on the ground" and "aerial assistance". I agree, but I believe we're past needing to wring our hands over it.
February 28, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said: Long lasting things going on.... We are approaching the point in which everyone is pulling out of joint ventures with the big Russian state controlled/affiliated companies. As we continue to see this in the energy sector this makes me wonder if they are going to pull the plug on the limited SWIFT access they still have for natural gas for Europe. We are slowly seeing the destruction of the Russian economy and few really grasp how bad it is going to get if this keeps up. Next on the list will be internal bank runs on currency and limited defaults on internal payments for raw goods in their limited manufacturing industries… Edited February 28, 20223 yr by Laxtonto
February 28, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said: Long lasting things going on.... I wonder if it bothers Vlad to know, without a doubt, that he is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to Russia.
February 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Parliament said: The civilian areas of many cities are being indiscriminately target with cluster and fuel-air bombs. Both are war crimes. Ukraine will win without our help, but we can't let Russia kill civilians. We worry about it go nuclear, and we should. The appropriate action isn't always easy, but it IS simple: When you don't know what to do, just do the right thing. We could end this tomorrow. This is a game of chess. The Ukrainians are pawns and knights. American airpower is the queen.
February 28, 20223 yr Just now, Aqua Buddha said: We could end this tomorrow. This is a game of chess. The Ukrainians are pawns and knights. American airpower is the queen. Not true, but yeah it would be a game changer to introduce NATO military air support.
February 28, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, MillerEP said: I hope they reconsider, it could help provide safe corridors for refugees to get out. I'm all in favor of Ukraine giving instant citizenship to a bunch of foreign "top guns" and letting them go to town with some EU loaner aircraft.
February 28, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: She’s a Russian woman, not Ukrainian. She is showing how to operate a Russian tank as she was in the military. I’m pretty sure this is an old video and has nothing to do with this invasion - it makes no sense otherwise. Edited February 28, 20223 yr by The Ace of Aces
February 28, 20223 yr Author We're in the tough position of either waiting for Putin to escalate the frequency and level of atrocities committed against civilians to justify the increase of NATO involvement or risking global catastrophe by involving NATO as a deterrent for future atrocities.We know what our hearts and the Ukrainians want (need). But if the Ukrainians can bleed out Russia long enough, it can be avoided. We owe Ukraine a huge debt that can never truly be repaid.
February 28, 20223 yr Popular Post Fighting back! I could see some drunk Surly members doing this if we were invaded.
February 28, 20223 yr Popular Post 36 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: yeah, i think there can be some face saving there. you can even have them stay part of ukraine. russia could announce Ukraine agreed to allow 500 troops to remain in those provinces to ensure continued protection of the russians living there for x number of years. hooray, look at the great things we did for our people. This is actually a not-terrible idea and pathway out. Allow a permanent "peacekeeping force" of very limited size, to protect the Russian population.....to be accompanied by a similar-sized peacekeeping force from the UN or EU, of course. But yes, Vlad, you can say that you "saved the lives of all of your Russian brothers" in Ukraine. It is often not a bad idea to give a humiliated opponent a face-saving exit. That said, I think we may be playing for the end-game here: let the rest of Russia know that they face only a miserable future with Putin in charge, so they should do something about it. 20 minutes ago, bangkok said: putin pulls out, that's gotta be absolutely humiliating and his grip on power drops as quickly as the ruble has. concessions in the breakaway regions would save some face, but thats not what putins intentions were. and the widespread, unified support of ukraine and condemnation of russia gives them all the negotiating power, they don't need to concede anything. putin either has an A in the deck, or folds.. i'm not seeing a middle-ground here. These. We can try the middle ground, because peace is good, but I don't see the middle as being in play, truly. 11 minutes ago, Parliament said: I'm terrified of mission creep and the risk of nuclear escalation. But think of our regrets for not getting more involved on Rwanda, Kosova, etc. Navy SEALS are...vacationing...in Kiev. Poland is donating fighter jets. We're stacking up weapons and ammo at the Ukrainian border. Our pretense of uninvolvement is gone. So it's time to enter the air war. NATO F15/16/18/22/35's and A 10 "Brrrrt's" need to go take over the airspace and blow up anything with a white z on it. Nope nope nope. We are doing quite well as it is. No need to cross that line at this point. Yes, civilians are being killed. Civilians have been killed before and we didn't send in the full might of NATO. However, publicizing it and letting Putin look awful as he does so will actually do more to advance the cause of the Ukrainian people and their sovereignty in the long-term. Shit, at this point, I think that Putin is trying to bait NATO in a frontal fight so he can say "see, I TOLD you we had to face NATO aggression!" That would actually give him a position that's somewhat supportable within his borders. We don't want to do that, so we should just stand pat and keep doing what we're doing. Just now, Aqua Buddha said: We could end this tomorrow. This is a game of chess. The Ukrainians are pawns and knights. American airpower is the queen. Don't fuck up and bring out your queen just because you can. She's there. He knows she's there. Think through the fact that maybe he's trying to goad us into bringing her out, because that would actually get him some support at home.
February 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Eastwood said: We're in the tough position of either waiting for Putin to escalate the frequency and level of atrocities committed against civilians to justify the increase of NATO involvement or risking global catastrophe by involving NATO as a deterrent for future atrocities. We know what our hearts and the Ukrainians want (need). But if the Ukrainians can bleed out Russia long enough, it can be avoided. We owe Ukraine a huge debt that can never truly be repaid. The bolded. They are fighting a heroic fight. There will be awful costs. But it is the right fight, being fought by the right party, the right way. Let's stay in this thus far quite successful lane to reach the end goal.
February 28, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Chooky said: I wonder if it bothers Vlad to know, without a doubt, that he is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to Russia. Hitler has 20 million dead Russians on his score card, but this round ain't over yet.
February 28, 20223 yr We should absolutely not implement a no-fly zone. Whatever we do, the number one goal should be no nuclear war and the risk is too great. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is a travesty, but we’re making it painful (although not equitably painful) on them.
February 28, 20223 yr Just now, MissingInAction said: Hitler has 20 million dead Russians on his score card, but this round ain't over yet. so does stalin
February 28, 20223 yr 17 mile long convoy of Russian trucks now about 15 miles from Kyiv. If ever there was a chance to do something by US and NATO it’s right fucking now. Air raid sirens going off in Kyiv. Plow the road damnit. Take the tanks out before it becomes a bloodbath. They just asked our congress for more weapons and stingers and anti tank shit. Praying my ass off for a miracle. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
February 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: We could end this tomorrow. This is a game of chess. The Ukrainians are pawns and knights. American airpower is the queen. no, we can't. let's say NATO/US goes in tomorrow with air power - it isn't like the Russians are just going to turn tail and leave. NATO entering increases the likelihood of this conflict still occurring 12 months from today tremendously. oh yeah, and NATO entering the fight just validates everything Putin has said in the last 10 years about UKR, and it galvanizes his support internally and pushes him to another level of being willing to do some heinous shit (which he absolutely has done in Chechnya over the last 20!!! years) the man literally orchestrated the bombing of his OWN people in their OWN apartments, killing 300+ and pushing them into the Second Chechen War, making Putin way more popular and that through line (and his power) run to today. as bad as shit is today, NATO enforcing a no fly zone over most/all of UKR makes things several orders of magnitude worse the literal second they start enforcing it.
February 28, 20223 yr Just now, Nicole44 said: 17 mile long convoy of Russian trucks now about 15 miles from Kyiv. If ever there was a chance to do something by US and NATO it’s right fucking now. Air raid sirens going off in Kyiv. Plow the road damnit. Take the tanks out before it becomes a bloodbath. They just asked our congress for more weapons and stingers and anti tank shit. Praying my ass off for a miracle. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 Drop leaflets and put Twitter on blast. Tell them they have 24 hours and then do just that. You'll have mass surrenders.
February 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Nicole44 said: 17 mile long convoy of Russian trucks now about 15 miles from Kyiv. If ever there was a chance to do something by US and NATO it’s right fucking now. Air raid sirens going off in Kyiv. Plow the road damnit. Take the tanks out before it becomes a bloodbath. They just asked our congress for more weapons and stingers and anti tank shit. Praying my ass off for a miracle. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 And this is what I'm referring to. We need to Brrrrrt that convoy into dust. BT, you and I agree on many of the facts, but not the conclusions, and that's OK. I hope we can still be friends.
February 28, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, Chooky said: I wonder if it bothers Vlad to know, without a doubt, that he is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to Russia.
February 28, 20223 yr Popular Post Just now, NoName said: no, we can't. let's say NATO/US goes in tomorrow with air power - it isn't like the Russians are just going to turn tail and leave. NATO entering increases the likelihood of this conflict still occurring 12 months from today tremendously. oh yeah, and NATO entering the fight just validates everything Putin has said in the last 10 years about UKR, and it galvanizes his support internally and pushes him to another level of being willing to do some heinous shit (which he absolutely has done in Chechnya over the last 20!!! years) the man literally orchestrated the bombing of his OWN people in their OWN apartments, killing 300+ and pushing them into the Second Chechen War, making Putin way more popular and that through line (and his power) run to today. as bad as shit is today, NATO enforcing a no fly zone over most/all of UKR makes things several orders of magnitude worse the literal second they start enforcing it. I agree with this and with @Brisketexan--we just destroyed Russia's economy. And by "we," I mean the world. There's no need to do anything that will upset the global support that Ukraine has right now by doing something that Putin can plausibly frame as Nato aggression. Right now, Russia has no path to victory. The only way that changes is if we give them one.
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