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1 minute ago, honolulu horn said:

The average Russian has gotten fucked over so many times by their leaders that their asses are permanently prolapsed. They've been used, abused, and lied to for decades. Don't hate those poor bastards. 

I really do feel for the russian people. They've been shit on for the better part of 500 years by tzars, and then socialists, and then most recently a kleptocrat. And somehow, the suppression of free expression, cruelty, and sending their sons to die in war has been a constant throughline. 

The average Ivan is just along for the ride at this point, and has no ready access to any information but lies. And yet, despite the cult of personality that putin enjoys he's still hiding in bunkers. It's like he knows what he's doing is wrong or is taking an outrageous gamble. I don't understand how putin managed to fuck himself over so bad

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50 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've read a few books about the first Gulf War, and we apparently had generals involved in the planning whose sole purpose, whether assigned that role or it was just their personality, was playing devil's advocate and coming up with scenarios where things go wrong.

That obviously didn't happen here - Putin had Yes Men around him.

Wonder how much his military leadership is telling him in terms of the actual situation, versus them telling him that various stories are just western propaganda.

US military calls it Red Team to punch holes in operation planning 

We'll know when we know. Less public chatter about this would probably be beneficial.

 

1 hour ago, Bravo said:

Now do most countries in the world. Most have very bad pasts of treating native people not so well and kicking them off their lands. I am trying to figure out what this has to do with Ukraine? 

Yea so am I. 

5 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Most Russians still support Putin.

Most humans are also dumb so whatever.

Top Haiku of 2022? Allow me to add the final line:

Eat a bag of dicks

25 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Top Haiku of 2022? Allow me to add the final line:

Eat a bag of dicks

Russia: Tough shitsky 

South Russia: Tough shitsky, y’all. 

Russians: Eat dicks bag

So China plays the slow game of behind the scenes backing Russia by credit, goods, new trade group….     China devalues the dollar and calls in our debt, actual wwIII?  

Can we pay that in dollars? Brrrrrtt. Here you go China, thank you for playing. Oh, you own a lot of shit here and it is worthless and you are bankrupt? Awww

Or something like that. I don’t know high finance but if they do that, they fuck themselves too.

1 hour ago, Hook1997 said:

So China plays the slow game of behind the scenes backing Russia by credit, goods, new trade group….     China devalues the dollar and calls in our debt, actual wwIII?  

Please remember that until sanctions started to hit hard, Russia’s per capita GDP was comfortably higher than China’s and this was reflected in the living standard of the average Russian.  China’s continued growth and enrichment is tied to continued investment and trade with rich countries and cannot be offset by unhooking that wagon and instead hitching it to a much poorer, isolated set of rogue states. For political reasons China will help Russia out and will seek to find ways to benefit economically but there’s no fearsome China-Russia hydra brewing. If anything Russia would be a brake on China. 

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I want to continue to keep this war in perspective from the human side. I am messaging from a train on my way to somewhere. I passed through Prague Central Station. Two things:

1. The Czechs are magnificent. Everywhere I looked there was, as Mr. Rogers said “a helper” treating traumatized people with kindness and compassion. 
 

2. Most of us are men: I want you to imagine your wife, your kids, maybe your kids’ grandparents. Maybe a dog. Imagine them sitting on a pile of hastily packed belongings in a bus station in Canada. They ran from your home after someone started bombing it. They don’t know where you are and when they may see you or your house again. People are nice but there are not enough of them, so all there is to do is wait in the bus terminal. Hopefully a warm bed this evening.

Thats what I saw, over and over and over. Now 150,000 some odd Ukrainians in the Czech Republic, a nation of ten million. If “Ukrainian refugees” were a city, it would be the fourth largest in the country and would have been created in two weeks. 

So go down to the “Help Ukraine/Fuck Russia” thread and see what you can do. 

5 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Well put.  I will say this, I hold the people of Russia and at the very minimum complicit of this situation.  For 25 years they have turned a blind eye, or one at gun point, towards this inevitable situation.  When this is all said and done, they will suffer, perhaps more than the Ukrainians for their inaction.  Are they all bad people, of course not; but their continual inability to effect change within their own system makes them complicit in all this.  They don't value democracy because they have never had the will to fight for it, and that's on them. 

In short here comes a big bag of dicks headed your way, eat em.  

Similar to my thoughts.  I don't hate them, but they don't get a free pass for letting this cocksucker run roughshod over them.  Now b/c they're incapable of self governance, the rest of the world has to deal w/ their fucking mess. 

If their cities start getting bombed into rubble...you know like their dear leader is doing to their neighbor, my stance might change.

 

6 hours ago, Porterhouse said:

I’ve never met a Russian stateside who isn’t a Putin homer, doesn’t deal in some shady import/export business, wear an indiscriminate amount of leather, and listen to techno music whilst never smiling. 

I mean, leave out the Putin part, and all the rest is sort of my retirement plan.

 

This is the best twitter follow for updates on the military conflict.  He's been nails so far.

 

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7 hours ago, BamaATL said:

I will say this, I hold the people of Russia and at the very minimum complicit of this situation.  For 25 years they have turned a blind eye, or one at gun point, towards this inevitable situation.  When this is all said and done, they will suffer, perhaps more than the Ukrainians for their inaction.  Are they all bad people, of course not; but their continual inability to effect change within their own system makes them complicit in all this.  They don't value democracy because they have never had the will to fight for it, and that's on them. 

How about Belarus? Here’s a perspective from their side (copy pasted from Twitter, @AlinaLeonovaSF)

“I'm Belarusian. Seeing more and more hate against Belarusians as a result of Lukashenko's participation in Putin's atrocious war against Ukraine, I have a few things to say.

But first, disclaimers:
- I'm against the war (and so are 90% of Belarusians)
- I'm against using Belarusian territory / equipment / military etc. against Ukraine (and so are 90% of Belarusians)
- I've helped and will keep helping Ukrainian refugees in Poland where I am now

Let me remind you that Belarus is an authoritarian country. We haven't chosen this government. We've tried to overthrow it, and we failed. We paid with our lives, blood and freedom for the attempt.

So let me tell you what Belarusians are doing to support Ukraine. 
Those who live in Ukraine:
- have joined territorial defense forces
- stayed to keep working as doctors
- are volunteering to help those affected by the war in every possible way

Those abroad:
- are donating money & things to help refugees, the military & people in Ukraine
- are going to Ukraine to join its armed forces
- have bought & donated equipment (eg. ambulances) to Ukraine
- are volunteering and helping refuges
- invite refuges into their homes

Ppl in Belarus:
- are protesting against the war
- donating
- have sabotaged the railway to stop Russian military equipment from going to Ukraine (considered terrorism and is punishable by life in prison or death sentence)

- perform various underground acts of sabotage & resistance, including economic resistance and hacktivism
This is not a complete list. I don't know everything, but I know that Belarusians are doing what they can. You say it's not enough. So let me tell you what it's like for us.

We've lived under oppression for almost 30 years. Almost 30 years that Lukashenko has been strengthening his position and eliminating every possible threat to his rule, every public initiative & social structure.

Everyone who has any power at all has been carefully selected. There has been constant propaganda & surveillance. We haven't had a real election since 1994. Lukashenko's political opponents have been killed & imprisoned. Every protest ended in brutal crackdown.

2020 wasn't the first time we protested, but perhaps it was the first time you've noticed us. The whole society united. We've failed (so far, because it's not the end of our fight). During and after the protests, Belarusians have been killed, maimed, raped & tortured.

Over 50,000 have gone through brutal repressions. About 1000 people are currently political prisoners (add to them about 800 arrested during the latest protest against the war in Ukraine — we don't know what's happening to them).

For the last 1,5 years, the oppression has only grown worse. Every social organization has been destroyed. Not only political ones, but also those that help domestic violence victims, animals or feed the homeless. NOTHING is left.

EVERY alternative source of information has been declared 'extremist', and people have gone to prison for sharing the materials from those 'extremist' sources in PRIVATE messages. People were arrested for their HAIR COLOR.

All our independent journalists are either in prison or abroad. Arrests keep happening every day. Prison sentences go up to 20 years. Hundreds of thousands have fled the country. We're still grieving and processing the trauma. The morale is very low. The risks are extremely high.

Now go back and read again what Belarusians are doing to help Ukraine and think again if it's not enough. If you live in a democratic country, you have no right to judge us. You have no idea what it's like. You think you would be brave and protest openly?

You'd just be thrown into prison to rot and very likely tortured. If you died during torture, lost your pregnancy or became permanently disabled, no one would be held accountable. It's actually ENCOURAGED. It has happened before.

Today, Belarusians are starting to face discrimination in European countries where they've fled from the regime and where many of them are helping Ukrainian refugees and Ukrainian fight for freedom. Czechia has stopped opening visas to Belarusians.

Europeans have refused to rent apartments to Belarusians, have banned them from participating in amateur sports competitions, refused them their services. They are bullying Belarusians online and to their faces.

Immigrants already deal with grief and trauma in the aftermath of our failed protests. They worry about their families and friends who still live in Belarus (and some of whom are imprisoned). They worry about the Russian occupation of their land. They grieve for Ukraine.

But apparently, that's not enough, and now we also have to deal with hate and discrimination based on our nationality.

Without Putin, Lukashenko can't survive. Putin is the only one who supports him financially and keeps him in power. Lukashenko has sold Belarus to Putin to stay on his fucking throne. Putin knows Lukashenko has no other options, so he's using him and Belarus for this invasion.

Belarusians have nothing to do with it. We have fought and are still fighting even if you don't see it. So please, do everything to help Ukraine and stop this horror, but leave us the fuck alone. We have enough on our plate. We don't deserve this shit, and it fucking hurts.”

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One thing that won’t happen is that Russia will for sure not put Russians on badly maintained airplanes. I just can’t see it. 

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've read a few books about the first Gulf War, and we apparently had generals involved in the planning whose sole purpose, whether assigned that role or it was just their personality, was playing devil's advocate and coming up with scenarios where things go wrong.

That obviously didn't happen here - Putin had Yes Men around him.

Wonder how much his military leadership is telling him in terms of the actual situation, versus them telling him that various stories are just western propaganda.

Yeah that book I mentioned goes into this a bit.  Col Warden, a smart guy who essentially invented the OODA loop and energy management, wanted to get Iraq to capitulate solely through precision strikes on C3/infrastructure.  The rest of the leadership didn’t buy that AirPower alone would win a war and greatly expanded the bombing campaign as well as drawing up the ground strategy.  
 

I’m sure a lot of that was the Good Idea Fairy with all the stars wanting a piece of the action, but it ended up working pretty well outside of over estimating their resistance thus the Left Hook gave the Iraqi guard troops time to pull back and wait for a cease fire (they later massacred Kurds and lead to Northern/Southern Watch and my family living in Turkey for 3 years).  
 

Point being all signs say this is leadership not being held accountable. 

18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

One thing that won’t happen is that Russia will for sure not put Russians on badly maintained airplanes. I just can’t see it. 

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8 hours ago, Shady Ray said:

Fear not...Germans can't handle spicy food whatsoever. Particularly that of the messcan variety. So that medium ain't gonna have no kick whatsoever. No exagerration here, but I have had the misfortune of eating store bought German salsa (which in English might as well translate to "ketchup with onion chunks") that was labeled as "hot" and it is something that babies in Texas could handle straight from the bottle.

 

On the other side, quite a few Germans have had the blessed fortune of having a "mild" version of my homemade stuff, and their reaction was as though they had consumed the core of Chernobyl itself.

 

Pussies.

One of my favorite European experiences, and this happens everytime I go, is the waiter warning you something is “spicy.”

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7 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

Yea so am I. 

It was a joke about how the Canadians tend to get a free pass over their native genocide.

 

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Hope the forces in and around Kyiv can beat the fuckers back. They can’t take relentless shelling from tanks like the other smaller cities.

fuck Putin. I really wish someone would kill him and make it look like an accident. There is not any other way to end this other than to end him. 
 

 

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Ok, so seeing two pieces of pretty critical disinformation spreading related to the war. Both of them are also being spread by a very influential U.S. blogger who has been recruited as a Viktor Orban fellow (I wish I were making that up). I’m not telling you to go over to his Twitter and drag him Surly style, but I’m not telling you NOT to do it. Both of these are clearly Kremlin narratives and not useful idiot narratives.

1. The Mariupol hospital bombing was a false flag.  The Nazi Azov battalion evacuated the building a long time ago, then started using it as a base.  Then after it was bombed, they rushed to use crisis actors to get a propaganda win for the Ukrainians and bait us into World War III! The proof is that a very pregnant Mariupol area beauty blogger was in the photographs. There is of course no way that she was, you know, at the fucking maternity hospital because she is from Mariupol and super pregnant. Russian gargoyles and their trolls are now slamming her online.

 

2. The gotdamn bio-weapons lab. They’ve amped it up to 11- now it is a whole CHAIN of bio labs, where the Americans and Ukrainians were nefariously planning to create viruses that spread via natural bird migrations to Russia and that were targeted at ethnic Slavs. Also, of course, they were weaponizing COVID-19 and doing experiments on bats.  And they escaped with all the evidence to Poland. Dirt bags! 
 

Anyway, here’s the Twitter of the American blogger who is getting paid by Orban and spreading this, he should be ratioed.

 

11 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Hope the forces in and around Kyiv can beat the fuckers back. They can’t take relentless shelling from tanks like the other smaller cities.

fuck Putin. I really wish someone would kill him and make it look like an accident. There is not any other way to end this other than to end him. 
 

 

If Lukashenko were to die, maybe there would be an uprising in Belarus that Russia couldn't put down while still conducting operations in Ukraine.

1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ok, so seeing two pieces of pretty critical disinformation spreading related to the war. Both of them are also being spread by a very influential U.S. blogger who has been recruited as a Viktor Orban fellow (I wish I were making that up). I’m not telling you to go over to his Twitter and drag him Surly style, but I’m not telling you NOT to do it. Both of these are clearly Kremlin narratives and not useful idiot narratives.

1. The Mariupol hospital bombing was a false flag.  The Nazi Azov battalion evacuated the building a long time ago, then started using it as a base.  Then after it was bombed, they rushed to use crisis actors to get a propaganda win for the Ukrainians and bait us into World War III! The proof is that a very pregnant Mariupol area beauty blogger was in the photographs. There is of course no way that she was, you know, at the fucking maternity hospital because she is from Mariupol and super pregnant. Russian gargoyles and their trolls are now slamming her online.

 

2. The gotdamn bio-weapons lab. They’ve amped it up to 11- now it is a whole CHAIN of bio labs, where the Americans and Ukrainians were nefariously planning to create viruses that spread via natural bird migrations to Russia and that were targeted at ethnic Slavs. Also, of course, they were weaponizing COVID-19 and doing experiments on bats.  And they escaped with all the evidence to Poland. Dirt bags! 
 

Anyway, here’s the Twitter of the American blogger who is getting paid by Orban and spreading this, he should be ratioed.

 

Fuck that guy! I hope you are dragging his ass on the Twitter. 

9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ok, so seeing two pieces of pretty critical disinformation spreading related to the war. Both of them are also being spread by a very influential U.S. blogger who has been recruited as a Viktor Orban fellow (I wish I were making that up). I’m not telling you to go over to his Twitter and drag him Surly style, but I’m not telling you NOT to do it. Both of these are clearly Kremlin narratives and not useful idiot narratives.

1. The Mariupol hospital bombing was a false flag.  The Nazi Azov battalion evacuated the building a long time ago, then started using it as a base.  Then after it was bombed, they rushed to use crisis actors to get a propaganda win for the Ukrainians and bait us into World War III! The proof is that a very pregnant Mariupol area beauty blogger was in the photographs. There is of course no way that she was, you know, at the fucking maternity hospital because she is from Mariupol and super pregnant. Russian gargoyles and their trolls are now slamming her online.

 

2. The gotdamn bio-weapons lab. They’ve amped it up to 11- now it is a whole CHAIN of bio labs, where the Americans and Ukrainians were nefariously planning to create viruses that spread via natural bird migrations to Russia and that were targeted at ethnic Slavs. Also, of course, they were weaponizing COVID-19 and doing experiments on bats.  And they escaped with all the evidence to Poland. Dirt bags! 
 

Anyway, here’s the Twitter of the American blogger who is getting paid by Orban and spreading this, he should be ratioed.

 

Rod Dreher seems like he sucks.

 

2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Rod Dreher seems like he sucks.

 

He's just asking questions!

6 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Rod Dreher seems like he sucks.

 

Its literally Lavrov talking points.

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"We have heard pathetic rhetoric about some atrocities allegedly committed by the Russian army many times. On March 7, three days ago, our delegation presented evidence at a session of the UN Security Council that the maternity hospital in question had long been seized by the Azov battalion and other radicals. All expectant mothers, all nurses and other personnel had been driven out. It was a base of the ultra-radical battalion Azov. These facts were disclosed three days ago. It is up to you to make conclusions as to how the world public is being brainwashed," Lavrov said.

This is the blogger/Instagrammer that Kremlobots are calling a crisis actor.

 

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So I guess we will all allow them to take it as well…we need to sack up and kill Putin. Maybe Macron can talk to him some more about it? Maybe we can make Russia’s economy even worse off and that will do it? Maybe if he’s charged with war crimes? But god forbid let’s not let migs fly from NATO bases…let’s keep doing more of the same stuff and maybe Putin won’t go for Georgia and one of his own men will kill him…stop fucking around and assassinate him. Otherwise we will wind up on WW3 any way but will have allowed thousands upon thousands to die first and have left Ukraine in ruins and possibly other countries on Putin’s wishlist before we do the right thing and put a bullet in his skull and throw him in a wood chipper. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So I guess we will all allow them to take it as well…we need to sack up and kill Putin. Maybe Macron can talk to him some more about it? Maybe we can make Russia’s economy even worse off and that will do it? Maybe if he’s charged with war crimes? But god forbid let’s not let migs fly from NATO bases…let’s keep doing more of the same stuff and maybe Putin won’t go for Georgia and one of his own men will kill him…stop fucking around and assassinate him. Otherwise we will wind up on WW3 any way but will have allowed thousands upon thousands to die first and have left Ukraine in ruins and possibly other countries on Putin’s wishlist before we do the right thing and put a bullet in his skull and throw him in a wood chipper. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So I guess we will all allow them to take it as well…we need to sack up and kill Putin. Maybe Macron can talk to him some more about it? Maybe we can make Russia’s economy even worse off and that will do it? Maybe if he’s charged with war crimes? But god forbid let’s not let migs fly from NATO bases…let’s keep doing more of the same stuff and maybe Putin won’t go for Georgia and one of his own men will kill him…stop fucking around and assassinate him. Otherwise we will wind up on WW3 any way but will have allowed thousands upon thousands to die first and have left Ukraine in ruins and possibly other countries on Putin’s wishlist before we do the right thing and put a bullet in his skull and throw him in a wood chipper. 
 

 

They’ve been pushing the Georgia lab shit as well. It’s not new at all. Just recycled because didn’t fall for the Ukrainian Nazi bit. 
 

Meanwhile, from Russia— the latest issue of legendary Novaya Gazeta (New Gazette), a legendary investigative magazine that has had journalists killed.  “Published in accordance with the Russian Criminal Code as Newly Amended.”

Some symbolism: Swan Lake means “shit is fucked, yo”. In the Soviet Union, Swan Lake played on a loop after Brezhnev died, after Andropov died, after Chernenko died, and during the attempted 1991 coup.  Someone may die or go to jail for this cover and image. Don’t believe that there aren’t courageous Russians.

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12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So I guess we will all allow them to take it as well…we need to sack up and kill Putin. Maybe Macron can talk to him some more about it? Maybe we can make Russia’s economy even worse off and that will do it? Maybe if he’s charged with war crimes? But god forbid let’s not let migs fly from NATO bases…let’s keep doing more of the same stuff and maybe Putin won’t go for Georgia and one of his own men will kill him…stop fucking around and assassinate him. Otherwise we will wind up on WW3 any way but will have allowed thousands upon thousands to die first and have left Ukraine in ruins and possibly other countries on Putin’s wishlist before we do the right thing and put a bullet in his skull and throw him in a wood chipper. 
 

 

What kind of manure for brains don't realize you can't control what directions bats fly and they are just as likely to spread the contagion to our own people?

Maria Pevchikh works for Alexei Navlany's anti-corruption foundation and posted a ~20 post thread about Sergei Lavrov's daughter (from his "unofficial wife") livin' large in London.

 

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funny as this was exactly what I was thinking to whoever it was I was addressing but if you look at the vaccine thread, I pretty much avoided it

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With the recent talk of disinformation, I just read an interesting article that's been tracking qanon conspiracy and found a significant overlap with russian disinformation and techniques (link). Relevant excerpts below:

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A new conspiracy theory has become popular among some of the online communities that formed around QAnon -- one simultaneously being promoted by the Kremlin as a justification for its invasion of Ukraine. The false claim: the United States is developing bioweapons in Ukraine and Vladimir Putin has stepped in to save the day and destroy the weapons.

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Russia's falsehoods about labs like this have not been limited to Ukraine. Similar claims were made about a lab in Tbilisi, Georgia; those were proven false. Dr. Filippa Lentzos, co-director of the Centre for Science & Security Studies at King's College London, visited the lab along with other experts and debunked the Russian claims. She told CNN the Russians are spreading the same lies about labs in Ukraine.

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It goes a bit like this. The Russian government makes suggestive statements, leaving breadcrumbs that are dutifully repeated by official Russian state media -- and then, increasingly importantly, by dozens of faceless websites (some of which the US has alleged are tied to Russian intelligence). Social media accounts push the idea further, build on it, make it more fantastical -- and those more fantastical claims eventually end up getting picked up by official Russian media and the cycle begins again.
 
Russia has been pushing various bits of disinformation about the US and biological weapons since the Cold War -- infamously publicizing, for instance, the false idea that the US manufactured the HIV/AIDS virus.

The loop of the russian government making suggestive statements, which are repeated and iterated on by mass media, and then further absurdified by smaller blogs, and then ultimately getting taken to crazy town by social media is eerily familiar. Thank god we're finally recognizing it as the information warfare that it is and taking steps to diminish its effect.

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