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6 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Being shown the door has a bit of a different meaning in Russia.  

That's because they use windows instead.

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8 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

It used to be the Russian R-330Zh automated interference station.

Destroyed tank of racists.

Destroyed Russian T-72B in Kyiv region and BTR-82A with trucks in Sumy region.

They'll just claim it was harboring combatants, ala the gaza strip....if they even respond at all.  Fuckers.  Phosphorous is nasty stuff form what I hear.  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

Even though Ukraine's doing awesome slowing Russia's advance, I'm still pretty concerned about Russian troops in the north and south linking up and cutting off a significant chunk of Ukraine's military in the Donbas. 

I do worry about it, but the Russian forces have thus far been so ineffective, I think the Ukrainians will be able to prevent this.  Additionally, the deployment of the switchblade drones has yet to happen, and I think that will be an absolute game changer.  Those should be deployed shortly, and I think once they are the armor loses for the Russians is going to make what's happened to date child's play.

14 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Russian's apparently having trouble funding their embassies abroad.  In addition to having agents ejected, would also explain document burning, seems they are preparing to be withdrawn.  

Last week someone posted an interesting article on a spy organization/embassy that Russia was building in Ireland.

7 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

Even though Ukraine's doing awesome slowing Russia's advance, I'm still pretty concerned about Russian troops in the north and south linking up and cutting off a significant chunk of Ukraine's military in the Donbas. 

The first concern is the land bridge they will have from Crimea after they take Mariupol.

46 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

I read a reasonable estimate was 10,000 dead Ruskies.

Update:  4,000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire

8 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Update:  4,000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire

Rather small, though now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

^During Vietnam, one of the reasons a boot LT's life expectancy was so low was because bad officers would get fragged in their sleep by their own troops.

 

54 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Being shown the door has a bit of a different meaning in Russia.  

Here we call it, "Take him to the train station."

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Being shown the door has a bit of a different meaning in Russia.  

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24 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^During Vietnam, one of the reasons a boot LT's life expectancy was so low was because bad officers would get fragged in their sleep by their own troops.

 

Looks just like the MARTA bus depot, so there is that.  

1 hour ago, RPM said:

I recall a couple large transports early in that tally as well.

I think that was BS.  Never saw any confirmations on those and they'd leave a hell of a skid mark on the ground. 

8 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I think that was BS.  Never saw any confirmations on those and they'd leave a hell of a skid mark on the ground. 

Correct. There has never been any visual confirmation.

13 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I think that was BS.  Never saw any confirmations on those and they'd leave a hell of a skid mark on the ground. 

Those are big four-engine planes.  I could easily see them losing an engine from a SAM, having to turn back to base because of the damage, and not completing the mission.  Especially in the dark, the people on the ground could interpret the engine explosion as a kill even though the plane was able to make it back to base.

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The really big one was Ukrainian and was grounded for service when it was blown up.

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Remember when Soviet leaders like Andropov and Chernenko would disappear, because they had “a cold?” It always meant that they were dead. This is the playbook. It hasn’t changed.

A cold referred to their body assuming room temperature

I hadn't been believing the big casualty numbers we had been hearing, but Bloomburg is legit.  For reference, from 1955 to 1975, we lost 58k Americans in Vietnam.

6 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I hadn't been believing the big casualty numbers we had been hearing, but Bloomburg is legit.  For reference, from 1955 to 1975, we lost 58k Americans in Vietnam.

Bloomberg is giving a large spread (7-15k). I read 10k earlier today and that the Russian military is under 90% capacity now for the first time.

Not great, Bob! meme must be how Putin feels lol.

11 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I hadn't been believing the big casualty numbers we had been hearing, but Bloomburg is legit.  For reference, from 1955 to 1975, we lost 58k Americans in Vietnam.

 

3 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

Bloomberg is giving a large spread (7-15k). I read 10k earlier today and that the Russian military is under 90% capacity now for the first time.

Not great, Bob! meme must be how Putin feels lol.

 

It's not Bloomberg's estimate. They've picked up an AP article sourcing the estimate from "a senior NATO official." That doesn't mean it's not legit, but we should give attribution to whom it's due.

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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — NATO estimated on Wednesday that 7,000 to 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in four weeks of war in Ukraine, where fierce fighting by the country’s fast-moving defenders has denied Moscow the lightning victory it sought.

By way of comparison, Russia lost about 15,000 troops over 10 years in Afghanistan.

A senior NATO military official said the alliance’s estimate was based on information from Ukrainian authorities, what Russia has released — intentionally or not — and intelligence gathered from open sources. The official spoke on condition of anonymity under ground rules set by NATO.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-europe-nato-e35e54b40359e52f3ffd4911577b669a

 

 

15 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hell, driving around with a dead body for just 2-3 days is not really good for your mental health, and it just starts wearing you down, and that's not getting into the smell and other problems (if they're dead in combat, they've gotta be leaking fluids).

does Ukraine not have Uber?

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Some interesting espionage history that I was unaware of. 
 

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I spent 34 years in the Central Intelligence Agency’s clandestine service, and watchingVladimir Putin’s brutal war in Ukraine from the sidelines fills me with both sadness and a sense of opportunity. Espionage is a predatory business, and there’s blood in the water. Mr. Putin’s self-inflicted damage has done more to turn his own people against him than anything the West could have done.

Mr. Putin’s disastrous choices are causing military strategists to reconsider which tactics could be used against Russia’s overrated and underperforming armed forces. Political experts and economists are rethinking tools for punishing malign behavior. Other potential aggressors—namely China—must take notice. If your job is cultivating spies, I suspect that recruiting must be good.

Russian mystique is gone. Mr. Putin has proved his country is the declining power that the best-informed Russia watchers claimed it was. Fewer pundits will wax poetic over Mr. Putin’s cunning and strategic brilliance. He might have been a capable operations officer during his KGB career, but he clearly missed the classes on self-awareness and counterintelligence. The more he tightens the security screws and covers Russia’s window to the world, the more likely those he depends on will turn against him. 

Resurrecting the Soviet empire, as Mr. Putin wants to do, brings with it the same forces that prompted most of the Warsaw Pact’s best CIA agents to turn against the Kremlin. Agents across the Soviet bloc often shared the same desire: to inflict whatever harm they could. They took up the fight not for money, but to undermine a toxic system that enriched a corrupt elite, wrought suffering and economic stagnation, and occasionally brought the world to the brink. 

 

Some of the CIA’s Russian agents were so dedicated that despite years of service and risk, they refused to give up the fight and leave their homeland even when they were in grave danger. One of the most famous was Adolf Georgievich Tolkachev. Known as “The Billion Dollar Spy,” Tolkachev was a Soviet electronics engineer. Angered by how dissident family members had suffered under Stalin and by the Kremlin’s corruption, Tolkachev provided the CIA documents on Soviet missile systems, avionics and radar that undermined Soviet air capabilities—information that continues to provide value today. 

Another was Maj. Gen. Dmitri Fyodorovich Polyakov of the Soviet Main Intelligence Directorate. He believed corruption had denied his son vital medical care, leading to the boy’s death. Polyakov helped the U.S. keep the Cold War from ever turning hot by providing key intelligence on the split between Moscow and Beijing that helped persuade President Richard Nixon to undertake the opening with China. 

In December 1980, the U.S. used intelligence from Col. Ryszard Kuklinski, a senior officer on the Polish general staff and a CIA agent, to expose Soviet plans to invade Poland. Kuklinski’s decision to turn against his government’s Kremlin masters came after Soviet tanks rolled into Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring of 1968. 

If truth was able to penetrate the Iron Curtain and reach the likes of Tolkachev, who never left the country and had no access to the outside world apart from shortwave radio, Mr. Putin won’t be able to extinguish truth in the digital age. Russians have been watching the puppet show and can see the strings. 

Mr. Putin has delivered a rival intelligence officer a great gift: a precipitating crisis. The desire to take control over their own destiny amid crisis drives people to spy. Intelligence officers take advantage of that desire to secure an agent’s cooperation through inspiration, trust and means to make a difference. Mr. Putin’s bumbling has provided the crisis, Ukrainian courage the inspiration, and the response of the U.S. and its allies the trust and tools for Russians to strike back.

Some of the CIA’s best agents have been volunteers who finally are pushed over the edge by a life-altering event and offer their services to an intelligence service. Tolkachev, Polyakov and Kuklinski were volunteers. Thanks to Mr. Putin’s deplorable behavior, I expect an increase in Russian volunteers who have toyed with the idea of doing something to better Russia’s future and might now be receptive to an encouraging nudge.

Mr. Putin will use intimidation, violence, repression and bribery to combat counterintelligence risk and will reward blind loyalty from the incompetent and opportunistic sycophants who lord over his system. But these measures will only create incentives for the brave to act—and it takes only a few to make an extraordinary difference. 

He has undermined in weeks what Russia took almost 30 years to achieve. The country survived the perils of near-bankruptcy and a crumbling national defense and used oil-fueled economic leverage to increase its domestic prosperity and international influence. Russian armed forces projected power far from home, and the country’s intelligence services acted with impunity, conducting sabotage, assassination operations, cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns that wreaked economic havoc and polarized liberal democracies.

Only weeks ago, Russians were vacationing in far-off destinations and buying imported cars and other luxury items. Today Russians are lucky if they can get to their own money (what’s left of it after the ruble’s collapse) and keep a job. Soon they may struggle to put food on the table. Weeks ago, the world trembled at Russian power. Mr. Putin is no longer the master chess player; he’s the great and powerful Wizard of Oz hiding behind a curtain.

He still could bring the world to an apocalyptic end. But his Cold War predecessors also had that power. It didn’t make Russia great in the eyes of its own people then, nor does it today. 

The Soviet state indiscriminately destroyed instead of built, while the Russian elites immersed themselves in luxury as working people toiled and suffered. That drove some of Russia’s greatest patriots to step forward in the past. Mr. Putin may resurrect the Soviet empire, but he will have to contend with a new generation of patriots who will fight for Russia’s freedom and bring about his doom.

 

24 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I hadn't been believing the big casualty numbers we had been hearing, but Bloomburg is legit.  For reference, from 1955 to 1975, we lost 58k Americans in Vietnam.

For reference (just in combat - doubled if you include other causes of death):

Civil War: total 1861–1865 214,938              
Civil War: Union Army   140,414            
Civil War: Confederate Army   94,000
1 minute ago, Bevo said:

For reference (just in combat - doubled if you include other causes of death):

Civil War: total 1861–1865 214,938              
Civil War: Union Army   140,414            
Civil War: Confederate Army   94,000

It's wild to think about how few casualties the US has had in armed conflict over the decades relative to other nation states.  We talk tens of thousands while others talk tens of millions.  I think that burns into the psyche of many countries and generations of people.  

Looking at SINGLE battles of the first and second wars, you have hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead.  In ONE engagement.  

Taking this back to Ukraine.  They are such a hardened people.  Look at back at Stalin's Holodomor.  Millions starved intentionally - some estimates as high at 7-10 million.  Then another 4+ million under the German invasion in WWII.  They're a tough, proud people that don't suffer fools easily and may very well prove to be the catalyst for the downfall of the current Russian state as we know it?

8 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We talk tens of thousands while others talk tens of millions. 

We are the closing pitcher in the game of war.

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3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

We are the closing pitcher in the game of war.

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3 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

I read a reasonable estimate was 10,000 dead Ruskies.

That’s how many the Russians admit to so in no way is it a reasonable estimate.

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

That’s how many the Russians admit to so in no way is it a reasonable estimate.

Nor does that account for casualties that sidelined soldiers and others incapacitated.  It might be 5x the number.  

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Nor does that account for casualties that sidelined soldiers and others incapacitated.  It might be 5x the number.  

I doubt it’s that high but if they’re at 50k casualties already then this is done as far as any sort of a Russian victory. 

Fair to say Paul Manafort stuff is instant CR stuff?  His behavior is .... odd.   

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We'll see if there are any goodies left in this

 

Oopsie.

Just now, BamaATL said:

Fair to say Paul Manafort stuff is instant CR stuff?  His behavior is .... odd.   

That's not fair to say. Some folks will squawk, but I mean, he was found to be a Russian intelligence asset by a Republican led senate. If you have something worth posting here, well, I'd say post it if it's germane to the war. 

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We'll see if there are any goodies left in this

 

Considering the general ineptitude of their army to this point, you've got to think there's a puncher's chance at least that these guys left something extremely important before hollowing it out. 

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

That's not fair to say. Some folks will squawk, but I mean, he was found to be a Russian intelligence asset by a Republican led senate. If you have something worth posting here, well, I'd say post it if it's germane to the war. 

Well, he was refused exit of the country on a revoked passport trying to fly Dubai, where lots of the oligarchs are suspected to be, and given his past and ties to Ukraine,  I have to wonder how stupid you have to be to think that would work, or even why he would want to stir the pot.  I mean he's pardoned, why would he risk doing something to put him back on the radar.  

22 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We'll see if there are any goodies left in this

 

This is good and all but the picture and the statements I saw earlier only show the command module.  It may give insights into capabilities but I think the good stuff is in the other part with the antennas that appears to be missing.  See the inset photo.

The reason it is two parts is so you can have some separation between them.  The antennas radiate and become targets themselves and the people manning it can be safer by staying away from the radiation of the equipment and the incoming missiles directed at it.  The antenna portion may have driven off or been destroyed.

 

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Edit:  Seeing this makes me wonder why it is being publicized.  If it is that big of a prize they would scoot it out of the country secretly.  Advertising makes me wonder if they are playing cat and mouse.

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12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We'll see if there are any goodies left in this

 

If their military performance is any indication of the value of this electronics warfare system, it's gonna be an Atari 2600 with one working controller and a copy of the Combat tank game.

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2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Well, he was refused exit of the country on a revoked passport trying to fly Dubai, where lots of the oligarchs are suspected to be, and given his past and ties to Ukraine,  I have to wonder how stupid you have to be to think that would work, or even why he would want to stir the pot.  I mean he's pardoned, why would he risk doing something to put him back on the radar.  

Because he wants to get paid. 

12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We'll see if there are any goodies left in this

 

You just know we've got Spec ops jawas combing the battlefields for scraps of intelligence.  

8 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

If their military performance is any indication of the value of this electronics warfare system, it's gonna be an Atari 2600 with one working controller and a copy of the Combat tank game.

Probably left the encrypted, multi-digit passcode on a sticky note on the side of the keyboard.

I can't remember which of the threads/articles that passed through here a couple of days ago about the shrinking circle of trust for Putin. Until it dawned on everybody that he hasn't been seen for a while he was considered to be one of his closest buds. Shoigu, and a couple of other guys were about it. He has been eliminating perceived threats for years. He is down to the ones with him in the bunker.

 

16 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

If their military performance is any indication of the value of this electronics warfare system, it's gonna be an Atari 2600 with one working controller and a copy of the Combat tank game.

On 5 floppy disks with disk 3 of 5 missing

17 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

This is good and all but the picture and the statements I saw earlier only show the command module.  It may give insights into capabilities but I think the good stuff is in the other part with the antennas that appears to be missing.  See the inset photo.

The reason it is two parts is so you can have some separation between them.  The antennas radiate and become targets themselves and the people manning it can be safer by staying away from the radiation of the equipment and the incoming missiles directed at it.  The antenna portion may have driven off or been destroyed.

 

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Edit:  Seeing this makes me wonder why it is being publicized.  If it is that big of a prize they would scoot it out of the country secretly.  Advertising makes me wonder if they are playing cat and mouse.

 It was originally posted by UKa troops asking what the hell it is.

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A Russian MP predicted this 11 moths ago. 

 

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