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Russia is losing their best people and machines, with limited ability to replace either.  They are leveling cities in fits of impotence, since they cannot advance and take them.  Russia cannot, in any meaningful way, win this war.

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2 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Russia is losing their best people and machines, with limited ability to replace either.  They are leveling cities in fits of impotence, since they cannot advance and take them.  Russia cannot, in any meaningful way, win this war.

This is 100% accurate, the only thing that Russia can do is leave a trail of devastation.  Essentially speaking, we are watching one man's temper tantrum in motion.  Regrettably, he is going to leave places he wished to occupy and hold parades in; only to see them in ruin simply because he can't have them.  This man has no empathy for others, even his own supporters and military.  If he can't have it no one will.  He intends on exterminating entire cities, simply because it suits his ego; and he cares nothing of the cost to his own people.  

3 hours ago, Deej said:

Stay within your borders, live at peace with your neighbors, fuckhead. You fucked around and found out. 

Glad we will never see this dumb motherfucker smirking on American soil ever again.  Embarrassing 

27 minutes ago, Snacks said:

It appears that Russia is willing to lose battles, but it's going to level Ukraine and eventually win the war.

As SM mentioned, they can’t win.  It’s very doubtful that Russia will even be able to control and truly occupy one of the major cities outside of Mariupol (and it’s been a month and they still haven’t formally taken it).  They definitely can’t take and hold Kyiv.  

They are struggling to maintain their supply lines as it is.  

13 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Having your heart removed from your chest might be a problem.

 

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39 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Glad we will never see this dumb motherfucker smirking on American soil ever again.  Embarrassing 

How stupid are you?

With this Russian fubar, I guess our dreams of annexing Baja and the Yucatan are over.

6 hours ago, MillerEP said:

Doubling the budget was nothing. One million dollars for covert ops against the Russian army is meaningless. What is the EU, an infant?

7 hours ago, BamaATL said:

You know, have kids with your mistress and then with your mistress's sister seems like you might be making your life a bit complicated, but maybe that's me. 

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57 minutes ago, Constant said:

This makes me think we should add torpedos to the oligarchs yachts and give them to some Ukrainians in the Black Sea to go after these supply ships. It would be hilarious to force Russia to sink their oligarchs yachts.

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4 hours ago, Bevo said:

With this Russian fubar, I guess our dreams of annexing Baja and the Yucatan are over.

Agree. In fact, I think we should withdraw from Florida.

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13 hours ago, Foosters said:

Am I wrong, or wasn't @Shady Ray on here weeks before the invasion discussing Germany's reluctance to arm Ukraine precisely because of the optics of German weapons ending up in Ukrainian forces adorned in Nazi and SS imagery.

Yeah, there is a lot of ugly stuff surrounding this that has been a subject of a ton of controversy for years here. And it has gotten even worse over the past week, where almost every major daily has run stories about Azov and its less-than-savory elements. But for clarity, no one here outside of the extremist fringes on each side believes the problem is so bad in Ukraine that it justifies/mitigates the moral bankruptcy/criminality of Putin's invasion. However, I do think if Putin would have limited is actions to the Donbass it would not have triggered nearly the reaction that it has here, as the Germans essentially viewed the Donbass issue as an Azov vs. Separatist issue and were prepared to look the other way. Just another example of huge miscalculation on Putin's part.

 

And as background, a lot of the attention to this issue within Germany over the past years has been self-inflicted by the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk, who has made Germany's support of Ukraine much more difficult politically. One of the first things he did when he became ambassador was to take a highly visible and highly promoted trip to the grave of Stepan Bandera here in Munich - over the very loud objections of the Merkel government - at which time he attempted to rehabilitate Bandera from Nazi-collaborator/antisemitic war criminal to "Hero of Ukraine" while standing in the middle of Munich, which of course has significance in German culture as the birthplace of the National Socialist movement. This infuriated the Bundestag, which then formally restated the genocidal acts of Bandera against Jews and Poles and reaffirmed the German position that Bandera was a war criminal who colluded with the Nazis to exterminate Poles and Jews. I remember when it happened and the entire political spectrum in Germany essentially, did a collective "What the fuck?" headscratch as to why he thought this was such a necessary move as ambassador to the country that was essentially bankrolling Ukraine's existence at the moment, particularly in light of the 2014-2015 events. It was really ugly.

 

People here didn't (and still don't) really understand that that era for Ukrainians was complex, with Nazis on one side and Soviets on the other...so the nuance of "allies-by-convenience" re Ukrainian nationalism is easily lost for modern Germans, who are understandably trained to knee-jerk strongly against anything that could be seen as excusing/justifying Nazi atrocities. So this creates fertile ground for the Russians wrt Azov and the neonazi narrative.

 

Ever since that time, the relationship between the German government and Melnyk - and therefore by extention Ukraine - has been absolutely terrible...and the stage was set for repeated public discussions about Azov and its ties with neonazi movements within Germany like Der III Weg and the NPD. Which did, in fact, occur regularly on public media...stories on the ZDF showing the Azov regalia, and quoting its founder, Biletsky, etc, which was pretty severe stuff, and documenting ties between the worst elements of German neonazism and Azov, etc.

 

Melnyk through this and a variety of other regular invocations of Germans-as-Nazis helped inject the issue into the national discourse, which in a perverse way only resulted in amplifying the Russian propaganda narrative, which definitely caught on across party lines. This basically gave the Russian propaganda high-octane fuel to embed into German political coverage, which was then exploited by the Russians and by Putinverstehers in various parties. We are seeing the attempted unwinding of this phenomenon now.

 

So that said, the information environment on this topic in Germany is very different than it is elsewhere, as the environment here is obviously quite different when it comes to Nazi-era topics. But again, no one here views this is as justification for what has gone on, and given the brutality of this war, most people now understand that less-than-desirable people are going to end up with German weapons, and that is a price that Putin's actions have caused. 

 

Melnyk's history as ambassador here was subject to a write-up on this yesterday in the Frankfurter Rundschau (which is an established paper traditionally associated with the SPD government), where you can get an idea of the tone of the debate:

 

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Andrij Melnyk is Ukraine's contentious ambassador to Germany. His political statements in the context of the Ukraine war are not well received everywhere.
 

Berlin/Kiev - Since the beginning of Putin's war of aggression, another Ukrainian public figure has been in the media spotlight alongside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Selenskyj: the ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk. A lawyer by training, Melnyk is a frequent interlocutor in news broadcasts and talk shows about the Ukraine conflict, where he does not mince words about his demands on German politicians.
 

Melnyk, who became ambassador in 2014 and before that served as Ukraine's consul general in Hamburg, is not without political controversy. In 2015, for example, he aroused the displeasure of the Bundestag when he publicized his visit to the grave of partisan leader and Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Munich on Twitter. Bandera, whom Melnyk called "our hero," was a politician for the Ukrainian nationalists OUN, collaborated with the Wehrmacht during World War II and is widely considered a war criminal. The grave visit was also a topic in the Bundestag, which is why, according to the minutes of the meeting, SPD Secretary of State Michael Roth classified the action as follows: "The German government is aware of a tweet by the Ukrainian ambassador in which he reports on his visit to Bandera's grave. The Ukrainian ambassador is sufficiently aware of our position on this. The German Government condemns the crimes committed by the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, OUN, partly under Bandera's leadership, against Polish, Jewish and Ukrainian civilians and officials. In doing so, it is aware that a significant proportion of these crimes were committed in collaboration with German occupation forces."
 

Ukraine war: Ambassador Melnyk attracts attention with comparison to Nazism
 

In January 2022, Melnyk also attracted attention with a Nazi comparison, with remarks by former Navy Inspector Kay-Achim Schönbach providing the occasion. The had caused outrage in a briefing on the Ukraine war circulated on Twitter when he expressed understanding for Vladimir Putin's stance. The Kremlin leader, Schönbach was quoted as saying, really just wants respect: "He wants respect. And - my God - giving someone respect costs little, costs nothing." He further articulated that Crimea was "gone," and "it will not come back, that's a fact."
 

Melnyk then considered Schönbach's proffered resignation insufficient, spoke of a "shock" among the Ukrainian public, and drew a comparison to the Nazi era: "Ukrainians also unconsciously felt reminded of the horrors of the Nazi occupation when Ukrainians were treated as subhumans by this condescending attitude." At the same time, he noted "German arrogance and megalomania" in one of the "highest-ranking heads of the Bundeswehr."

 

Ukraine war: Ukrainian ambassador defends Azov regiment

In recent days, the ambassador has now made it his mission to step into the breach for the ultra-nationalist Azov Regiment on Twitter. "Guys, dear @tagesschau, finally leave Azov regiment alone. Please. How long do you want to serve this Russian fake narrative - now in the middle of the Russian war of extermination against civilians, against women and children in Mariupol?" he wrote on March 19, for example. The occasion was a tweet by Tagesschau, which reported on the far-right support for the troops within Germany.
 

The Azov Regiment,a paramilitary volunteer battalion, has been the subject of international criticism since its inception in May 2014. It was founded to fight against pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, but the regiment is considered extremely nationalistic. Some leaders openly espouse far-right positions, such as Andrij Bilezkyj, who has already emerged as a champion and whom political observers classify as a neo-Nazi. The Azov regiment has been accused of human rights violations and war crimes in the past.

 

Ukraine war: Extreme right-wing micro party follows Azov regiment - "heroic struggle for the freedom of their country".
 

The extreme right-wing micro party "Der III. Weg" has long been a supporter of the Azov Regiment. On Telegram, for example, the group seeks accommodation for "Ukrainian nationalists" under the slogan "Nationalists help nationalists." Azov itself, according to a report in the TAZ, has been described as the "armed arm of the national movement" in Ukraine, engaged in a "heroic struggle for the freedom of their country." Likewise, the far-right "Identitarian Movement" is considered an Azov supporter, according to a report by Deutschlandfunk Radio. And Ambassador Melnyk? He followed up again on March 20. Mariupol would be "courageously defended. And it was defended by the Azov regiment." He said that the Kremlin had spread "ugly propaganda [...], which is also readily taken up in Germany".
 

At this point it is worth recalling 2018, when a group of young men carried out an attack on a Roma settlement in Lviv. During the attack, one man was stabbed to death and three other people were injured, including a ten-year-old boy. The alleged perpetrators later claimed to be members of a far-right group called "Sober and Angry Youth." They, in turn, reportedly belonged to the Misanthropic Division incorporated into the Azov Regiment. For more information, see the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. It should also be interesting reading for Ukrainian Ambassador Melnyk. (Katja Thorwarth)


https://www.fr.de/politik/ultra-rechts-nationalistisch-ukraine-botschafter-andrij-melnyk-asow-regiment-91425243.html

 

 

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What's the story on that Russian ship blown up?  Sabotage?  Accident?  Seems like a big deal.

4 hours ago, Genco said:

Doubling the budget was nothing. One million dollars for covert ops against the Russian army is meaningless. What is the EU, an infant?

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4 hours ago, Constant said:

 

If nautical nonsense is something you wish..

FAFO and get sunk like a bitch. 

15 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Newsflash: Everyone basically outside of the Communist Party in Moscow had Nazi sympathizers. 
Here’s one of America’s great hero’s as well as  a former King of England:

 

 

 

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Let's then take a step past the work "sympathizer" and move into Ukraine's history of tens up tens of thousands of people that actively tried to fight FOR the Nazi's. 

Or recently, the Maidan coup, that was backed by NATO, did have an element of it's makeup that involved self admitted Nazi's (Azov Battalion, C14, etc.)

Like most propaganda, it has a sliver of truth that is being twisted.  

10 hours ago, The Dog said:

This is long, but is from the same guy @atomheartbevo shared (I think). It's from 3 weeks ago but is relevant today.

 

This guy is a gamer but in real life does military budget analysis. 

In short, "is the Russian army shit?"

He's an Aussie, so only an Australian would use those kinds of terms in a PowerPoint...

It's a hit sandwich of mediocre equipment and seemingly non-existent training.  I think you take American trained soldiers and gear them up with this Russian material, you see a VERY different campaign.  

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

What's the story on that Russian ship blown up?  Sabotage?  Accident?  Seems like a big deal.

Destroyed by Ukraine

 

Not clear if the personnel was onboard when the ship went off, but I'm pretty sure all that equipment is underwater now. 

EDIT: I was curious and my first call is at 9, so I looked up the ship type on wikipedia and they've only got one operational landing vessel left of that type. That's a pretty significant logistical blow to the rooskies

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Russians that don't want to be Russians seems as good a reason as any, especially inside "Russia" there is a myriad of different cultural and ethnic groups.

 

If this is true, this is a Russia that’s decided to do everything short of nukes to disconnect itself from Europe.   Feels like these are human shields of some sort    

 

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14 hours ago, Handcruser said:

Huge shoutout to MillerEP for all the twitter links and translations. It is much appreciated.

Seriously.  Every day, I wake up, sit down with a cup of coffee, come to Surly and read up on all the towed tanks and dead Russian's courtesy of @MillerEP.  Dude needs a tip jar button on his posts.

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Destroyed by Ukraine

 

Not clear if the personnel was onboard when the ship went off, but I'm pretty sure all that equipment is underwater now. 

I think the bigger part is this ship provides the ability to ferry armor into the port, which once again limits the speed Russia can get new equipment to the front.

It is almost like the Ukrainians are targeting major logs in the supply chain knowing Russian is already spread thin at the fronts and any delays in resupply or redeployment will allow the front to crumble.

 

To me this is just another datapoint around the idea that the Ukrainians know they have no issues standing toe to toe what is already in theater and are actively working to bleed out resupply as the begin counter offensives.

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Those of you…ummm….talking about future wives/ex-wives….

 

There was a story in The Guardian this morning about pimps/human traffickers showing up at the Polish border crossings trying to get vulnerable women and children.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/24/vigilantes-stalk-ukraine-border-as-sex-traffickers-target-fleeing-women-and-children

Just now, Schulz2.0 said:

There was a story in The Guardian this morning about pimps/human traffickers showing up at the Polish border crossings trying to get vulnerable women and children.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/24/vigilantes-stalk-ukraine-border-as-sex-traffickers-target-fleeing-women-and-children

It's a buyer's market.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll show myself out.

3 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

My uncle was a Wild Weasel pilot in Vietnam.  I remember as a kid asking him about his time served and how a rag-tag (or whatever) army could stand up to the might of the US with all it's technology.  He said that is the wrong question many vets were asked.  It's not "how" they did it, it's that they were willing to do it.  They were willing to take the pain, give it back, and stand toe to toe with a superpower.  That mindset is hard to beat, as we are seeing now.  

Hopefully it fucks up the port for a while, too.  Destroying equipment and supplies is great.  Doing that and inhibiting transportation is a thing of beauty.

It's been a long time since I read it, but I have a book about the Battle of Kursk during WW II.  As I recall from that book, during the German build up for that battle, there were something like twenty trains waiting in a railyard in Minsk for their turn to move forward.  There were cars loaded with fuel, ammo, vehicles, and troops sitting stationary in the yard when two partisans planted just two magnetic mines, one on a fuel car and one on a car loaded with ammo.  When they went off, it started a string of chain reactions that destroyed every piece of rolling stock in the yard and rendered the yard inoperative for months.  That's definitely more bang for the buck.  Hopefully Ukraine got a similar outcome with this ship.

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Hopefully it fucks up the port for a while, too.  Destroying equipment and supplies is great.  Doing that and inhibiting transportation is a thing of beauty.

It's been a long time since I read it, but I have a book about the Battle of Kursk during WW II.  As I recall from that book, during the German build up for that battle, there were something like twenty trains waiting in a railyard in Minsk for their turn to move forward.  There were cars loaded with fuel, ammo, vehicles, and troops sitting stationary in the yard when two partisans planted just two magnetic mines, one on a fuel car and one on a car loaded with ammo.  When they went off, it started a string of chain reactions that destroyed every piece of rolling stock in the yard and rendered the yard inoperative for months.  That's definitely more bang for the buck.  Hopefully Ukraine got a similar outcome with this ship.

Was one of those partisans named Rochelle? 

6 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I think the bigger part is this ship provides the ability to ferry armor into the port, which once again limits the speed Russia can get new equipment to the front.

It is almost like the Ukrainians are targeting major logs in the supply chain knowing Russian is already spread thin at the fronts and any delays in resupply or redeployment will allow the front to crumble.

 

To me this is just another datapoint around the idea that the Ukrainians know they have no issues standing toe to toe what is already in theater and are actively working to bleed out resupply as the begin counter offensives.

Here is a RT propaganda piece giving a nice view of port and this ship's capabilities before going kaboom. This is definitely going to fuck with RU's supplies around Mariupol.

 

1 minute ago, NorthLoop said:

Was one of those partisans named Rochelle? 

I don't recall whether either was named.  I need to dig that book out of storage and reread it.

4 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Was one of those partisans named Rochelle? 

I'd like to lay her mine.  No...she was planting on mind.  Wait, mine was gonna land her?  Dammit, I had something for this.  I need to see that movie again.  

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4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Switchblade time

 

That was a cool ass video

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Orcs on the Orsk?

 

If you zoom in you can clearly see a second ship that’s moving and on fire.  
 

 

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Mike.  Fucking.  Drop

 

These guys have been spot on, and have a history of talking about Ukraine training up their army as light infantry-focused and ready to take on Russia. 

 

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

These guys have been spot on, and have a history of talking about Ukraine training up their army as light infantry-focused and ready to take on Russia. 

 

So you're saying Ukraine brought the Night to a Gun Fight?  

19 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Hopefully it fucks up the port for a while, too.  Destroying equipment and supplies is great.  Doing that and inhibiting transportation is a thing of beauty.

It's been a long time since I read it, but I have a book about the Battle of Kursk during WW II.  As I recall from that book, during the German build up for that battle, there were something like twenty trains waiting in a railyard in Minsk for their turn to move forward.  There were cars loaded with fuel, ammo, vehicles, and troops sitting stationary in the yard when two partisans planted just two magnetic mines, one on a fuel car and one on a car loaded with ammo.  When they went off, it started a string of chain reactions that destroyed every piece of rolling stock in the yard and rendered the yard inoperative for months.  That's definitely more bang for the buck.  Hopefully Ukraine got a similar outcome with this ship.

Well if that was docked, which it looks like it was, that berth is gone for awhile.  

7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

These guys have been spot on, and have a history of talking about Ukraine training up their army as light infantry-focused and ready to take on Russia. 

 

This is why optics on rifles is such a big deal.  You can't hit shit in low light with irons

 

11 hours ago, 686 said:


This is what is so fucking psychotic about Putin. He has hated the American hegemony for the last 30 years, but that stabilizing peace made him one of the richest men in the world and increased the standard of living of his people an order of magnitude. Per the pretty brunette, he really misses the Cold War; but not having to be in a constant arms race with the US completely unshackled the Russian economy and was great for them/him. Should have just retired in 2016 and he’d be on his yacht living the high life. If he would have retired before Crimea, dude could have become a socially acceptable party guest/celebrity even in the West.

Some people thrive on chaos, conflict and turmoil and can't really exist without it.  Thankfully, they usually become a casualty of their instigated "wars" long before they attain enough power to fail as bigly as Putin is now.

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

This is why optics on rifles is such a big deal.  You can't hit shit in low light with irons

maybe you cant... 

3 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Well if that was docked, which it looks like it was, that berth is gone for awhile.  

Rooski emergency underway procedure need work.

26 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Was one of those partisans named Rochelle? 

Well they built a long railroad from Berlin to Minsk.

Rochelle, Rochelle!

You never stopped bombing, now Hitler’s in a Pinsk.

Rochelle, Rochelle!

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