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#42301
15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, I like that they are taking themselves out of play as enemy combatants.  Every cowardly Russian hiding in Georgia is just as good as a POW, KIA, or other draft dodger.  Let's let them do so....but they don't get cushy treatment as cowards with no principles.  

While there is logic to this line of reasoning, after a bit of thought I believe that every neighboring country that allows these draft dodgers to stay is setting themselves up for future trouble.  These guys will be sucking up resources from the places "hosting" them and chasing the local women.  Both of these will make them unwelcome, and locals will start letting them know.  Meanwhile, some of the men will get family members to join them.  These people will be typically Russian, and let everyone know about their superiority.  Eventually there will be the question, "When are you going home?"  Any answer will be not soon enough, and you'll have another population of Russians complaining that they are being "mistreated", laying the groundwork for the next round of Russian meddling.  No, better to go ahead and send them back now.

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#42302
3 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

While there is logic to this line of reasoning, after a bit of thought I believe that every neighboring country that allows these draft dodgers to stay is setting themselves up for future trouble.  These guys will be sucking up resources from the places "hosting" them and chasing the local women.  Both of these will make them unwelcome, and locals will start letting them know.  Meanwhile, some of the men will get family members to join them.  These people will be typically Russian, and let everyone know about their superiority.  Eventually there will be the question, "When are you going home?"  Any answer will be not soon enough, and you'll have another population of Russians complaining that they are being "mistreated", laying the groundwork for the next round of Russian meddling.  No, better to go ahead and send them back now.

Yeah, no.  I don't want them taking up an AK-47 and going to Ukraine, even reluctantly.  If there's no other recourse, detain them as potential enemy combatants until the cessation of hostilities, THEN deport them.

#42303

Putin thinks he’s cosplaying World War II but he’s really cosplaying Russia in World War I. This mobilization is going to end up being a disaster for Russia and for him.  He is really staking everything on the nuclear threat after referendums because that’s the only hope he has to hold this new territory. 
 

Also, letting in hordes of military age Russian males is a huge security threat that these countries aren’t set up to handle. Sounds like a great way to get a bunch of SVR irregulars bouncing around stirring shit up, especially once Russia starts cracking down on the border controls. Always be careful of who is able to get out of places like that. 

#42304
3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, no.  I don't want them taking up an AK-47 and going to Ukraine, even reluctantly.  If there's no other recourse, detain them as potential enemy combatants until the cessation of hostilities, THEN deport them.

Set up internment centers with basic food and shelter, allow no communication with Russia and no contact with the locals, shoot escapees on sight.  It might work.

#42305
1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Putin thinks he’s cosplaying World War II but he’s really cosplaying Russia in World War I. This mobilization is going to end up being a disaster for Russia and for him.  He is really staking everything on the nuclear threat after referendums because that’s the only hope he has to hold this new territory. 

Bingo.  Which is why there are only two ways out of this: internal violent governmental collapse in Russia, or a nuclear strike in Ukraine.  Either one of which is the end of the Russian regime (I don't think a tactical nuke strike is met with a nuclear counter-strike.....but the response, both military and economic, will not be survivable).

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Also, letting in hordes of military age Russian males is a huge security threat that these countries aren’t set up to handle. Sounds like a great way to get a bunch of SVR irregulars bouncing around stirring shit up, especially once Russia starts cracking down on the border controls. Always be careful of who is able to get out of places like that. 

Agreed.  So, detain them.

#42307
7 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Set up internment centers with basic food and shelter, allow no communication with Russia and no contact with the locals, shoot escapees on sight.  It might work.

The problem here is that (most of) these are countries with constitutions and treaties and courts and laws that actually function even when not convenient. And they aren’t at war with Russia and declaring all Russians enemy combatants would fail when challenged.  There’s no legal authority to detain masses of Russians in the equivalent of POW camps— not any more than there would be if they started showing up here. 
 

Let Russian men who don’t want to fight in Ukraine do something about it at home or surrender to Ukraine when they get there. You don’t get asylum in Europe. 

#42309

There have been some pretty good articles describing how the pain of economic sanctions, while covered up and propped up as best Putin can, are really going to start kicking in in the fourth quarter of 2022. I was just thinking about that timeline, and how this mobilization will advance and exacerbate the upcoming economic pain. Essentially, Putin has disengaged a hell of a lot of breadwinners from the Russian economy with the mobilization.

He has shipped them off to be additional burdens on the now out-of-control Russian military expenditure.  At least one video shows a recruiter telling the conscripted that their jobs will be waiting for them when they get back. When they get back (better, or if they get back), the economy will have tanked and those jobs will be gone.  

Russia is well and truly fucked. Whatever future those Z supporting assholes thought they had will be far more bleak and long lasting than they could ever have imagined.  They will blame somebody, and it won’t be themselves or their leaders. They will probably blame it all on the west, on NATO, and on traitors within Russia. I hope we are working on what to do about all of those nukes when the Russian federation collapses.

#42310
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  If you are fleeing Russia because of cowardice, not principles (that is, if you oppose YOU fighting in this war, but you have no problem with RUSSIA fighting in this war), then you should have to surrender EVERYTHING when you cross that border.  EVERYTHING.

I hear you but I would think the vast majority are just regular poor people trying to live their life and don't want to die because they were born in a country with a nutjob dictator.  I'm sure most are literally giving up everything.   I certainly don't know what the solution is as the neighboring countries don't have the resources to take them on but a shitty situation.

This guy has been a good follow for young/normal Russian perspective over the past 6 months.

 

 

#42311
1 hour ago, SquishMitten said:

Yikes. If they have the ability to shoot down a fighter plane, I certainly wouldn’t want to fly over the same area in a helo 

Lot more manned aircraft being shot down.  Be curious if it’s Stingers or something else (Brits).

#42312
1 minute ago, Skipper said:

 

This guy has been a good follow for young/normal Russian perspective over the past 6 months.

 

 

I think that poor guy may wind up being a collateral damage victim of the Russian mobilization refugee invasion - and ultimately lose his apartment and safe place because he picked the wrong time to be a young Russian male in Georgia. 

#42313
8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Russia is well and truly fucked. Whatever future those Z supporting assholes thought they had will be far more bleak and long lasting than they could ever have imagined.  They will blame somebody, and it won’t be themselves or their leaders. They will probably blame it all on the west, on NATO, and on traitors within Russia.

So they are aggy?

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#42315
2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I think that poor guy may wind up being a collateral damage victim of the Russian mobilization refugee invasion - and ultimately lose his apartment and safe place because he picked the wrong time to be a young Russian male in Georgia. 

Yeah and he talked about that in this or the last video but mentioned it's not like he can go many other places even though he has the means to do so.  Most already weren't letting Russians in.  He ended the last video saying to all his Western followers they should thank god every day they weren't born in Russia.   Just think that guys a good follow for some perspective and empathy because the reality his mindset is probably not too uncommon among the younger generation.  Like he said - if you show up to protest in Russia they are immediately mobilizing you.  It's easy to sit on our couch in America while watching NFL redzone and demand Russians do something about their circumstances.  Just a lot easier said than done.

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#42318
32 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The problem here is that (most of) these are countries with constitutions and treaties and courts and laws that actually function even when not convenient. And they aren’t at war with Russia and declaring all Russians enemy combatants would fail when challenged.  There’s no legal authority to detain masses of Russians in the equivalent of POW camps— not any more than there would be if they started showing up here. 
 

Let Russian men who don’t want to fight in Ukraine do something about it at home or surrender to Ukraine when they get there. You don’t get asylum in Europe. 

Well they would be illegal immigrants so put them on a plane and drop them off at Ted Cruz’s house

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#42319
13 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yeah and he talked about that in this or the last video but mentioned it's not like he can go many other places even though he has the means to do so.  Most already weren't letting Russians in.  He ended the last video saying to all his Western followers they should thank god every day they weren't born in Russia.   Just think that guys a good follow for some perspective and empathy because the reality his mindset is probably not too uncommon among the younger generation.  Like he said - if you show up to protest in Russia they are immediately mobilizing you.  It's easy to sit on our couch in America while watching NFL redzone and demand Russians do something about their circumstances.  Just a lot easier said than done.

I am actually pretty empathetic towards Russians, for a variety of reasons and I hope my posts show that a lot of my frustration and anger with them is borne out of a conviction that they actually can do better.  And there’s also the fact that their neighbors deserve even more empathy. They just want to live in a world where Russia isn’t constantly making itself their gotdamn problem, whether that’s via constant threat of attack or annihilation or demands for pity and support and an “attaboy“ for NOT attacking them.  The bottom line is that one way or another Russia and Russians seem to constantly try and solve their problems by doing anything EXCEPT fixing Russia, and that’s a real PITA if you’re a well behaved small Baltic state or even a not so well-behaved Central Asian autocracy. 
 

Anyway, it is a real tragedy for the world and for Russia that Russia and Russians failed to pursue a normal and productive path of development for the past 23 years, because Russia had plenty of potential and the worlds richest continent next door begging to have a normal Russia to do business with. Literally begging and gaslighting themselves to try and get there. And Russians are chronically unable to admit that most of their problems are their own fault and will try to tell you that it’s Bill Clinton’s fault for helping Yeltsin in 1996.  Because electing Communist Zyuganov would have made all the difference! 
 

#42325
10 hours ago, Deej said:

Roger Waters is a piece of shit. 

This is what I mean when I say I like 99% of your posts. 

#42331
2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Can we reevaluate that whole napalm thing? Large groups of Russian infantry sound like a great target for a line of Ukrainian jets doing Vietnam cosplay.

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#42332
10 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Can we reevaluate that whole napalm thing? Large groups of Russian infantry sound like a great target for a line of Ukrainian jets doing Vietnam cosplay.

The drone dropping grenades thing seems to work well.  I can’t imagine having that hanging over your head (literally).

Speaking of aerial stuff, as mentioned, they have NASAMS deployed, and protecting Kharkiv.

 

#42334
34 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Except a lot of their better Guard units are now fertilizing sunflowers in Ukraine. Gonna be harder to keep control now that the natives are pissed off.

#42338

Putin should just send all those thousands of macho cops to fight in the meat grinder instead. 
No shortage of those asshole bullies apparently.

#42339
9 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Putin should just send all those thousands of macho cops to fight in the meat grinder instead. 
No shortage of those asshole bullies apparently.

He needs them to keep his own people in line.

#42342

All these thousands of men trying to push their way out of Russia, what do they think would happen if they all instead went to the Russian government and had themselves a revolution?  
 

the force that would stop them is so depleted it is the force that they are being mobilized to backfill. 
 

and whatever strength they keep in Moscow probably isn’t too keen on being next on a train to Ukraine. 

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#42348
1 hour ago, MillerEP said:
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

Putin should just send all those thousands of macho cops to fight in the meat grinder instead. 
No shortage of those asshole bullies apparently.

 

36 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Niiice sucker punch

How much longer before the "recruiters" turn a corner and get beaten by recruits. How much longer before they are picked off one by one, then en masse? And how much longer before "recruiters" start shooting into protestors to protect themselves or exact revenge?

This is either going to be a TienAnMen Square massacre or a Romanian style revolution where Putin is captured and executed by firing squad.

 

Edited by Superhero

#42349

I cannot see current events ending well for Putin. I just don't see how he survives.

#42350

Not to be an internet bad ass, but if I was put in that position, I would rather kill a recruiter in Russia than be captured and sent to die in Ukraine.

Edited by Superhero

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