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1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Wait a minute ... did somebody actually say that circumstantial evidence is not admissible in a court of law?

If so, has this person never watched any crime drama in history, beginning with Perry Mason on down the line?

Nobody said that. 

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9 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

My reasoning is as follows: if there was clear, obvious evidence of collusion or coordination it would’ve leaked already and things would’ve already happened. Especially given the makeup of Mueller’s team. 

There is clear, obvious evidence of collusion.

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

Nobody said that. 

Wrong.

3 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Wait a minute ... did somebody actually say that circumstantial evidence is not admissible in a court of law?

If so, has this person never watched any crime drama in history, beginning with Perry Mason on down the line?

GR did not but @EMAWesome tried to argue a few days ago that circumstantial evidence was not admissible in court, got roundly chastised for it, and disappeared entirely. This person also claims to be a lawyer I believe.

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

There is clear, obvious evidence of collusion.

“If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trumpcampaign and Russia,"

 "There is no factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

Chairman of Intelligence Committee

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6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

 

I’ll look forward to reading the details of “borderline treasonous” activity in the reports. 

 

"If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia,"

"There is no factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

Quotes from the chairman of Intelligence Committee.  a literal member of Trump's presidential campaign

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6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Nobody said that. 

 

 

On 2/14/2019 at 7:27 PM, EMAWesome said:

You really need to go back and retake a high school civics class.  Circumstantial evidence is normally not allowed as presentable evidence in a court of law.  This board is more out of touch with reality than the Flat Earth Society.

 

 

Just now, GRHorn said:

“If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trumpcampaign and Russia,"

 "There is no factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

Chairman of Intelligence Committee

The vice-chairman has a completely different take on the matter, and has said so publicly.

There is a boatload of factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

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2 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Hoo boy. This is some nice hyperbole. POTUS is rubbing off on you. Or are you serious?

Half the posts on here for the last 2 years are about Trump being “unglued” or “unhinged”.  Projection?

Absolutely serious.  Trump has or is attempting to:

* Make it acceptable for the President to subvert congress' power of the purse, edging the Presidency closer to a supreme rulership
* Shut down Mueller's investigation into his campaign before it has reached its natural conclusion and all facts are known, putting the President above the law
* Purge areas of the government of experts with decades of career experience in favor of yes men, resulting in unquestioned Presidential policy uninformed by expertise
* Undermine the credibility of US intelligence services, rendering us more vulnerable to continued attack by hostile nations that have served the President's political interests
* Alienate us from NATO and traditional allies in democracy, isolating us within the world and making the worst caricature of America a reality

The above is irrefutable, and has nothing to do with ideology, politics or policy.  All of that weakens the disparate groups around the Presidency that have the ability to directly or indirectly influence or constrain the President.  It serves to consolidate power within the singular individual sitting in the oval office.  That would be wrong for a Democrat.  It would be wrong for George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan, Clinton, Obama or any of the other 44 President's that came before Trump.  None of them tried, because they saw America and the Presidency as something sacred, solemn and bigger than themselves.  Trump?  The Presidency and our government's distributed power structure is his to bend to his will, and damn whatever ramifications that has for the future.

Fuck him.  Fuck you.  You can keep drinking the orange koolaid, but I'll have to pass (hint: its piss).

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The vice-chairman has a completely different take on the matter, and has said so publicly.

There is a boatload of factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

I linked some of his comments above. They were hardly inflammatory.  

Hopefully everything comes out before his first term is up. Then we can all move on. 

2 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Hopefully everything comes out before his first term is up. Then we can all move on. 

It's doubtful that that will happen thanks to the grand obstructionist party. And we know that you and your ilk won't move on - you're still hate-stroking it to clinton. If trump goes down, he's going to be a martyr for every jim-bob and cleetus and GRHorn, because those dang deep state-r's keep tricking trump and dozens of his advisers and staffers to act in a compromised way to russia.

Nothing is ever trump's fault, and if it is, it isn't illegal, and if it is, the law is wrong and should be changed. Or something like that, right?

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35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Good lord. First he knows better than real, actual doctors, now he knows better than federal investigators. What can't this man do?

Walk a few blocks. Stand in a light rain. Keep his hands off his daughter. 

18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

GR did not but @EMAWesome tried to argue a few days ago that circumstantial evidence was not admissible in court, got roundly chastised for it, and disappeared entirely. This person also claims to be a lawyer I believe.

Everything those two guys just said is bullshit.

Whoa whoa GR might have gravy brains but I don't think he would touch/look at his daughter like Trump does

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Yeah, so this Gal found a cure for cancer. I call her Gallium Scam Gal because she didn't really do any of the work. She's from Madagascar, have you seen Madagascar? 3rd world Shithole. They don't have Caravans in Madagascar, nobody is trying to Nuke them, but I hear the beaches are good,  very clean. Abe from Japan is the only one that knows how hard I work on my executive time, got me a Great Price on a Sony. The Best! Abe's a good guy, but he's got a problem with hermits and very small hotel rooms. I'm working with him on that.

 

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Just a reminder:  let us all remember that circumstantial evidence is not admissible in a court of law.

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You know the old trope about any time you can't figure out who the sucker is at the poker table, it's you?

Trump should probably fire himself, because any manager doing even a half-assed job wouldn't make nearly this number of lousy hires.

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

 

There is a boatload of factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.


Yeah, like Donald Trump, Jr. admitting to holding a meeting with the Russians whose purpose was to disclose dirt on Hillary after first lying about its purpose. 

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Good lord. First he knows better than real, actual doctors, now he knows better than federal investigators. What can't this man do?

It's pretty funny seeing people like GRhorn taken seriously on the intertubez.  Any of his abortion chatter amongst actual intelligent people...you know in real life, would have him laughed out of the room.  Just something to keep in mind when arguing with him and those like him.  Picture a stereotypical Trumptard in trailer park X...would you engage that dipshit in any honest discussion that didn't involve Nascar or cheap beer?  

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48 minutes ago, retread said:

 

 

Well, sure. He's had a contrary position to Trump on several issues.  

Coming up:  Eric Trump as DNI.

 

 

Sounds like Rush is writing his speeches for him.

Some reporter should ask Trump to define what socialism is and to name the countries with socialist governments. 

29 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It's pretty funny seeing people like GRhorn taken seriously on the intertubez.  Any of his abortion chatter amongst actual intelligent people...you know in real life, would have him laughed out of the room.  Just something to keep in mind when arguing with him and those like him.  Picture a stereotypical Trumptard in trailer park X...would you engage that dipshit in any honest discussion that didn't involve Nascar, OU, aggy or cheap beer?  

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5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Some reporter should ask Trump to define what socialism is and to name the countries with socialist governments. 

Should also ask him to defend the idea that American democracy hasn't led to a ruling class of the rich and powerful and oh hey, we're capitalist, not socialist.

16 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

That kind of rhetoric plays well in Miami, especially with all of those descendants of Batista supporters in the crowd.

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Should also ask him to defend the idea that American democracy hasn't led to a ruling class of the rich and powerful and oh hey, we're capitalist, not socialist.

The top 1% owns about 40% of total household wealth. 

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Rent seeking isn’t capitalism

It's late stage capitalism.

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Rent seeking isn’t capitalism

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Socialized externalities and rent seeking are inherent restraints on price discovery and thus contrary to efficient markets. They are fundamentally hostile to capitalism.

I’ve made this point before, but that’s a big part of why the biggest environmental disasters happen in communist countries- when everyone owns the productive assets equally, externalities aren’t possible because nobody is truly external.

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Socialized externalities and rent seeking are inherent restraints on price discovery and thus contrary to efficient markets. They are fundamentally hostile to capitalism.

I’ve made this point before, but that’s a big part of why the biggest environmental disasters happen in communist countries- when everyone owns the productive assets equally, externalities aren’t possible because nobody is truly external.

Dust Bowl says hi.

At what point should the democrats meet trump’s anti-socialist rhetoric with anti-fascist narratives? 

Democrats could go hard AF on Trump’s/GOP’s fascist tendencies but they don’t.  Why?  

 

44 minutes ago, F250 said:

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Meh...maybe poke state.  OU is progressive...by that shithole state's standards.  But when it comes to politics Texas shouldn't be too proud either.  Although you guys did elect a tranny...so at least that's progressive.  

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

At what point should the democrats meet trump’s anti-socialist rhetoric with anti-fascist narratives? 

Democrats could go hard AF on Trump’s/GOP’s fascist tendencies but they don’t.  Why?  

Because it would be as effective as Trump's anti-socialist rhetoric - not very.

 

1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Yeah, like Donald Trump, Jr. admitting to holding a meeting with the Russians whose purpose was to disclose dirt on Hillary after first lying about its purpose. 

The Clinton Campaign paid Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump.  Was Hillary trying to collude with the British to rig our election by hiring a former British Intelligence Officer to investigate Trump?

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


Exactly. Broke the market.

But it happened in a capitalist country. Capitalism has plenty of environmental disasters to call its own.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Because it would be as effective as Trump's anti-socialist rhetoric - not very.

Dude, that anti-socialist shit works.  It’s exactly why they do it.  People are fucking stupid.

5 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Meh...maybe poke state.  OU is progressive...by that shithole state's standards.  But when it comes to politics Texas shouldn't be too proud either.  Although you guys did elect a tranny...so at least that's progressive.  

Fair point, most of the Pokes I know are redneck as fuck versus those from OU. The odd thing is the majority of the OU alumni I know are actually from DFW.

 

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dude, that anti-socialist shit works.  It’s exactly why they do it.  People are fucking stupid.

Guaranteed that Rush/Fox will heavily mix that into their programming for the next year and a half.

1 minute ago, retread said:

Guaranteed that Rush/Fox will heavily mix that into their programming for the next year and a half.

That's like wearing a belt with suspenders. Their audience already thinks Democrats are socialists.

So the gallant fight against non-existent socialism is the new red meat, I see. 

GR did not but [mention=2089]EMAWesome[/mention] tried to argue a few days ago that circumstantial evidence was not admissible in court, got roundly chastised for it, and disappeared entirely. This person also claims to be a lawyer I believe.


I think EMAW is wildcatsomething from the old board. If so, he claimed to be an engineer. He completely fucked up a discussion on stats and percentages though. But I can believe he is a practicing engineer. I’m an engineer, and I share the title with a lot of people who lack basic science and math skills, contrary to popular belief.
But it happened in a capitalist country. Capitalism has plenty of environmental disasters to call its own.

There’s no such thing as a “capitalist country” outside of maybe Singapore. That’s why I hate the -isms bullshit in politics maybe more than any other thing. There’s literally nothing at stake. Everything being discussed is between the 40s.

 

I think EMAW is wildcatsomething from the old board. If so, he claimed to be an engineer. He completely fucked up a discussion on stats and percentages though. But I can believe he is a practicing engineer. I’m an engineer, and I share the title with a lot of people who lack basic science and math skills, contrary to popular belief.

 

That’s strange. From his exposition on the admissibility of circumstantial evidence, I thought he was a lawyer of the esteemed Lionel Hutz variety.

39 minutes ago, mdmost said:

So the gallant fight against non-existent socialism is the new red meat, I see. 

Oh yeah!

 

7 hours ago, Asithappens said:

So, one of swam's more lucid days.

When he's just off the ship he's likey to have had access to meds.

5 hours ago, GRHorn said:

 "There is no factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."

Chairman of Intelligence Committee

"Honestly, GR is not so stupid he should be sterilized to protect the gene pool."   

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