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Mine went up about $20 bucks a month and i average 2500 miles a month. I couldn’t see myself in another car after the Tesla.

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On 1/31/2020 at 10:30 AM, 52-80 said:

On a dollar per distance basis, electric car should cost you somewhere from 1/4rd to 1/2 of cost of of fueling.

 

So take the gas bill and divide by half or thirds

If you divide by a half, or a third, you are doubling or tripling your cost. #math

On 2/4/2020 at 11:08 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Wishing I had bought more stock.

Todays the day.

When the battery truck comes out and has been around for a few years (I think Ford is playing with one?) I may buy. However, I am so ocd with battery operated devices I may lose my mind. When my phone is under 60% I get oddly nervous. No idea why. I can be under an eighth of a tank of fuel and I am fine because I know I can be back at 100% in 4 minutes.

15 minutes ago, markstanco said:

When the battery truck comes out and has been around for a few years (I think Ford is playing with one?) I may buy. However, I am so ocd with battery operated devices I may lose my mind. When my phone is under 60% I get oddly nervous. No idea why. I can be under an eighth of a tank of fuel and I am fine because I know I can be back at 100% in 4 minutes.

You'll get over it.  We all have it at first.  But yes, Ford is coming out with an F-150 electric and I think it is going to dominate.  I think Elon missed a huge opportunity by coming out with something ridiculous for his truck instead of something that would appeal to the masses.  That said, he's a billionaire for a reason.

Ford's been trying to put out an ef150 for years. Since the late 2000s. At this point I'm not sure if Tesla doesn't beat them

You'll get over it.  We all have it at first.  But yes, Ford is coming out with an F-150 electric and I think it is going to dominate.  I think Elon missed a huge opportunity by coming out with something ridiculous for his truck instead of something that would appeal to the masses.  That said, he's a billionaire for a reason.
Probably. I am the perfect customer for one, 35 miles each way for my commute to work and seldom drive more than 75 miles where I couldnt get a charge. But driving to a distance of say 200 miles in the year 2020 to a hotel without a charge station is a no go. Probably 10 years out on this. Would be awesome to go to a hampton inn and pay a fee of $15 to charge your vehicle though.
Ford's been trying to put out an ef150 for years. Since the late 2000s. At this point I'm not sure if Tesla doesn't beat them
They already did and it is hideous.
Probably. I am the perfect customer for one, 35 miles each way for my commute to work and seldom drive more than 75 miles where I couldnt get a charge. But driving to a distance of say 200 miles in the year 2020 to a hotel without a charge station is a no go. Probably 10 years out on this. Would be awesome to go to a hampton inn and pay a fee of $15 to charge your vehicle though.

There are chargers everywhere these days. Many hotels have 1-2 now in their parking lot.

There are chargers everywhere these days. Many hotels have 1-2 now in their parking lot.
Oh, of course! I have seen them. Still, comparing them to gas stations is a non starter though. Most of the time people who drive and stay at a hotel drive 200+ miles to that destination. It doesnt work out for the typical road warrior.

Road trip from texas to florida with the family? Better have a gas car.

In 2020 a battery car is good for locals.
Ford's been trying to put out an ef150 for years. Since the late 2000s. At this point I'm not sure if Tesla doesn't beat them

Will Rivian beat them both to market? It looks pretty great and can do tank turns.

GMC electric to be “introduced” this May. Not sure they’ve said when they will be for sale. 
 

id be interested but for the fact that my truck is my camper tow vehicle, and I can’t exactly bring a can of electricity with me to the campsite to fill up/top off. 

Oh, of course! I have seen them. Still, comparing them to gas stations is a non starter though. Most of the time people who drive and stay at a hotel drive 200+ miles to that destination. It doesnt work out for the typical road warrior.

 

Road trip from texas to florida with the family? Better have a gas car.

 

In 2020 a battery car is good for locals.

Yes we rent a suburban for those trips. We took the model S to New Orleans with the kids - not easy. We took it to Marfa without. That was easy. The key issue is kids. With kids it’s a no go, without easy breezy.

2 hours ago, markstanco said:

When the battery truck comes out and has been around for a few years (I think Ford is playing with one?) I may buy. However, I am so ocd with battery operated devices I may lose my mind. When my phone is under 60% I get oddly nervous. No idea why. I can be under an eighth of a tank of fuel and I am fine because I know I can be back at 100% in 4 minutes.

I was a big charging skeptic too, but it's proven to be a non-issue.  Just drove across 7 countries using exclusively the Tesla supercharging network and it was fine.  This excludes 3rd party fast- and slow- chargers that multiply the chargepoints by 10x.

 

Didn't even rely on hotel chargers.  I could charge it for 20 minutes at a nearby SC before going to bed.  Or park it at a charger in the morning while having coffee and cake in the same parking lot. 

 

It *sounds* like a chore, but in almost all of the stops, I found myself rushing back to the car from the McDonald's/cafe/whatever because it finished quicker than anticipated.

 

Thinking back to all the Houston/Dallas/Austin runs I used to make, and stretching my legs at a Buckees half way through the trip, 9 out of 10 times anyway, and the trip would not be materially different in a Tesla.  Unless you're a mobile doctor and every minute counts.

 

By the way this is with a 300mi+ rated car, meaning *actual* range is 200-240 or so.  Any electric car rated at 250mi or less (=most of them) is a complete no-go for anything except pure Urban duties.

 

I drive 200 miles a day, they have got to push the range out a lot to make this remotely feasible for a lot of us.

I think Ford is going to use the Rivian platform. I think the Rivian SUV looks pretty slick but I'm less crazy about the truck.

10 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

You'll get over it.  We all have it at first.  But yes, Ford is coming out with an F-150 electric and I think it is going to dominate.  I think Elon missed a huge opportunity by coming out with something ridiculous for his truck instead of something that would appeal to the masses.  That said, he's a billionaire for a reason.

fwiw I listen to Jerry Reynolds (The Car Pro Guy) every Sunday on WOAI.

He's driven Ford's prototype and while not giving any details, he said that Elon is going to be extremely unhappy when it hits the market. His intimiation was almost word for word what you're saying here bout "missed a huge opportunity, etc".

With that said, Jerry is as big a fanboi of Ford as Tesla people are of their shiny objects, so again, fwiw.

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7 hours ago, 52-80 said:

a chore, but in almost all of the stops, I found myself rushing back to the car from the McDonald's/cafe/whatever because it finished quicker than anticipated.

 

 

 

What does this mean?  It doesnt just stop charging when full like your cell phone and you have to rush to not overheat the batteries?  

20 minutes ago, markstanco said:

What does this mean?  It doesnt just stop charging when full like your cell phone and you have to rush to not overheat the batteries?  

No, it does.  It stops at whatever level you've set it to.  I think "rushing" wasn't really the right word.  He's just saying it's a lot quicker these days, especially now that they are upgrading the superchargers to version 3.0, which gets you 500-1000 mph charging.

1 hour ago, G650 said:

I drive 200 miles a day, they have got to push the range out a lot to make this remotely feasible for a lot of us.

Good god man.

Good god man.
Yea that is a beating. I used to drive 60k a year as well back in my road warrior days. Started buying diesel trucks so I could keep them longer.

I don't know, doesn't seem that bad to me. Maybe I'm just used to it, or maybe relative to when I used to travel 250k by plane, boat or automobile per year it's not so bad.

21 minutes ago, G650 said:

I don't know, doesn't seem that bad to me. Maybe I'm just used to it, or maybe relative to when I used to travel 250k by plane, boat or automobile per year it's not so bad.

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53 minutes ago, markstanco said:

What does this mean?  It doesnt just stop charging when full like your cell phone and you have to rush to not overheat the batteries?  

1.  Charging is much faster up to to ~70%, and slower beyond that.  So you're basically getting less "return" per minute spent.  You're better off driving to the next charger 60% away (distant equivalent), rather than top off the car to 100% and driving it to the next charger 90% away.

 

2.  Chargers enforce an idle fee to discourage people from using them as a parking spot.  So it's really a matter of courtesy.

 

So in actual practice, I stop around 15-20% (to have some reserve) and charge to 75-80%.  That's around 120-160 miles driven. 

 

Translating to TX miles means starting Houston at 100% (because it was plugged in overnight), stopping at Ennis for 20 minutes, and then all the way to your final destination in Dallas with whatever you need to do.  Then you just plug it at home/hotel is that's the end of your trip. Or another 20 minutes if you're heading on back to Houston or whatever

2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

1.  Charging is much faster up to to ~70%, and slower beyond that.  So you're basically getting less "return" per minute spent.  You're better off driving to the next charger 60% away (distant equivalent), rather than top off the car to 100% and driving it to the next charger 90% away.

 

2.  Chargers enforce an idle fee to discourage people from using them as a parking spot.  So it's really a matter of courtesy.

 

So in actual practice, I stop around 15-20% (to have some reserve) and charge to 75-80%.  That's around 120-160 miles driven. 

 

Translating to TX miles means starting Houston at 100% (because it was plugged in overnight), stopping at Ennis for 20 minutes, and then all the way to your final destination in Dallas with whatever you need to do.  Then you just plug it at home/hotel is that's the end of your trip. Or another 20 minutes if you're heading on back to Houston or whatever

Yeah, it really becomes second nature rather quickly.  You just figure out a stop or two for long road trips and it's not usually more than 20 minutes.  You also realize how little you actually need superchargers.  99% of charging is done at home.  Unless you are G650 I guess.

4 minutes ago, markstanco said:

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Yeah, I wish. I was doing those miles on American, British, and when I was lucky Cathay. Or in sailboat offshore.

55 minutes ago, markstanco said:
1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:
Good god man.

Yea that is a beating. I used to drive 60k a year as well back in my road warrior days. Started buying diesel trucks so I could keep them longer.

Same here and in Ark/LA/MS.

Never again.

Miss the correct exit on the Atchafalaya Swamp Bridge and just settle in for a nice long fucking ride to the turnaround and back.

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59 minutes ago, Cajun said:

 

Miss the correct exit on the Atchafalaya Swamp Bridge and just settle in for a nice long fucking ride to the turnaround and back.

How is the fishing down below that bridge?  I always see boats, but not sure what they are fishing for.

I'm usually done with most my miles by 10 or 11 in the morning fwiw. Just drive home from the office after that which is like 8 miles.

I drive probably 25 miles a week. Throw in 100 mile round trip to the ski hill 15 times, and a few drives to the city and the occasional campground, and it’s about 5k per year. 

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, it really becomes second nature rather quickly.  You just figure out a stop or two for long road trips and it's not usually more than 20 minutes.  You also realize how little you actually need superchargers.  99% of charging is done at home.  Unless you are G650 I guess.

People don't consider that chargers are basically for *road trips only*.  Outside of this trip I never charged on the road.  Car starts at 100% in the morning (actually, 80%), I do what I do all day in a typical day, and then plug it in at night.

 

At the start of a long trip, you're always setting off with full charge (250mi usable)  With a normal car, you might start with full tank (300mi), or you might start with half tank (150mi) or near empty.  So the built-in advantage makes it completely offsetting.

 

11 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

People don't consider that chargers are basically for *road trips only*.  Outside of this trip I never charged on the road.  Car starts at 100% in the morning (actually, 80%), I do what I do all day in a typical day, and then plug it in at night.

 

At the start of a long trip, you're always setting off with full charge (250mi usable)  With a normal car, you might start with full tank (300mi), or you might start with half tank (150mi) or near empty.  So the built-in advantage makes it completely offsetting.

 

Yep.  Mine is the long range battery, so my full is around 310-320 miles.  In Texas, there are still a couple of places that really need Superchargers though.  Lubbock and College Station for sure.  I'll also add Fredericksburg, since I go there a lot, but always have to take my ICE car.

I think Ford is going to use the Rivian platform. I think the Rivian SUV looks pretty slick but I'm less crazy about the truck.


Only for a Lincoln vehicle. Their trucks are totally separate.
24 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

With a normal car, you might start with full tank (300mi)

What kind of tiny ass jugs you using for a fuel tank.

1 minute ago, G650 said:

What kind of tiny ass jugs you using for a fuel tank.

It's probably closer to 400 actually.  Average sedan gas tank is 18.5 gallons.

I'd say 400 is conservative. I have about 450 mile range on average with a 22 gallon tank in my X5.

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

How is the fishing down below that bridge?  I always see boats, but not sure what they are fishing for.

No idea, I never got down there to fish, but here's a post from an Atchafalaya Fishing board I look at now and then...

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Goggel eye, magnolia crappie, goo, bream and buffalo, sho nuff mixed bag, congrats

Best when read in the voice of Coach O.

And I wouldn't go swimmin' in that brackish shit.  Aside from crockagators you dun got deez...

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Charging is always the number one concern I hear from people when they ask me about my Tesla. But really it's such a non issue. You plug in your cell phone every night, right? Same concept with the car. You don't have to worry about the battery degrading the way it does in a cell phone though. The car wants to be plugged in. I think as long as you aren't traveling more than 200 miles a day and have at least 8 hours of sleep time to keep the car plugged in then it's perfect. So what if you have to find a supercharger for a road trip? Most of them are near restaurants so you can plan them around lunch time. Dallas to Austin is an extra 20 minutes for me but totally worth it.

But oh them brown eyed honies down around that way, ayiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee!

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14 hours ago, markstanco said:
14 hours ago, gsoda3 said:
Ford's been trying to put out an ef150 for years. Since the late 2000s. At this point I'm not sure if Tesla doesn't beat them

They already did and it is hideous.

tesla hasn't started production and i fully expect them to be delayed by 1-2 years pushing delivery to 2022 or 2023.  the e-f150 could drop as early as late 2021.  but if they don't get their act together we might see cybertrucks on the road before them.

44 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

tesla hasn't started production and i fully expect them to be delayed by 1-2 years pushing delivery to 2022 or 2023.  the e-f150 could drop as early as late 2021.  but if they don't get their act together we might see cybertrucks on the road before them.

I see what your are saying about production delays with Tesla's track record, but with the new gigafactories coming online and just the overall streamlining of the process, I don't think we'll see delays like we used to.  The Model Y is doing first deliveries in a few weeks, about 6 months ahead of schedule.  That said, it also uses about 75% of the same specs as the Model 3, so maybe the truck will throw in some wrinkles.

Either way, I just don't think the cybertruck is going to reach a mass audience.  I mean, look at that thing.

I know some hardcore Tesla groupies who wouldn't touch that cybertruck with a 100 foot pole.

5 minutes ago, Cajun said:

I know some hardcore Tesla groupies who wouldn't touch that cybertruck with a 100 foot pole.

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Just bought a Tacoma but I'm gonna trade it for a Cyber Truck or maybe the Rivian when those are available.  I dig the way the Cyber Truck looks.  It's like the ultimate El Camino.

To each his own man.

There were some guys in my high school who really dug the way Pacers looked.

One guy had flames painted on his.

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1 hour ago, G650 said:

What kind of tiny ass jugs you using for a fuel tank.

My fuel stats says the beamer did smack on 420km/260mi at every fill up

If we are talking gas tank capacity, we need to be talking about sedans vs SUVs vs trucks.  Big differences in both capacity and MPG.  Batteries are still a bit behind ICE in terms of range, but that is fading fast.

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