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3 hours ago, Rusty Shackelford said:


It was jizz...

puts out fires and the navy has a near-unlimited supply of it. 

Love that it's for Shell, but not apparently for the rest of Deer Park.

 

ITC gonna be paying money after this fuckup.

Apparently sensors all over the deer park area noticed the benzene from ITC, but shell was the only one to act.  Everyone swept it unde the rug 

 

good on shell for actually acting in a responsible manner 

Yep VOCs would be the culprit here, so if you are sniffing with an air monitor that senses CO, CN-, and Cl2 then you’d get zeros. 

It’s going to be one hell of a ride if Harris County gets hit by a big hurricane in the next 3.5 years. 

1 minute ago, FartingMonk said:

Dropped my mixtape too soon

They might have pulled it from the shelves. It’s out. 

5 shot is spraying foam from 5 different directions. Cigma or whoever didnt want to do it

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1 hour ago, Lat22 said:

It’s going to be one hell of a ride if Harris County gets hit by a big hurricane in the next 3.5 years. 

Is this a knock on the county judge? 

6 minutes ago, mycox said:

Is this a knock on the county judge? 

Yes. It is. 

I would advise you bay fishermen go to catch and release for the next couple of years, and maybe lay off the gulf shrimp and oysters for a season. 

27 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

Yes. It is. 

Yeah she wasn't graceful addressing the situation the first day, but tell me what else she could have done to make this situation better?

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1 hour ago, Jshep34 said:

5 shot is spraying foam from 5 different directions. Cigma or whoever didnt want to do it

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Not that CIMA didn't want to do it.  It was they couldn't do it.  Those tanks are 36 feet tall.  Fire was burning at a rate of 6 inches an hour.  By Monday the city of Houston was completely out of foam.  The Williams guys went in there with their good foam. 

I’ll pass. That’s for another board and I don’t go there. 

45 minutes ago, mycox said:

Yeah she wasn't graceful addressing the situation the first day, but tell me what else she could have done to make this situation better?

Do something two days ago about all The chemicals spilling into the ship channel?  Like I don’t know, some recovery vessels?  If she doesn’t have the power use her bully pulpit. 

 

Not lie to the general public about the benzine and other chemicals in the air. You know it’s bad when shell has known and prepared for it about for days, but the county says nothing (and they have, I could tell something was wrong by them locking down the plant Monday).  

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Huge learning experience for lots of companies fireteams.

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1 hour ago, Jshep34 said:

Huge learning experience for lots of companies fireteams.

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It was. I was worried about my brother and dad being out there. My dad said he helped out the day of Phillips 66 explosions in 89(90?) and said is was cazy. My brother got there this morning a around 530 and the fire was out already. Cajuns coming in and helping out again! I may just start having to cheer for the Saints lol. 

Do something two days ago about all The chemicals spilling into the ship channel?  Like I don’t know, some recovery vessels?  If she doesn’t have the power use her bully pulpit. 
 
Not lie to the general public about the benzine and other chemicals in the air. You know it’s bad when shell has known and prepared for it about for days, but the county says nothing (and they have, I could tell something was wrong by them locking down the plant Monday).  

You’re just an asshole racist and sexist.



Hope no one’s sarcasm meter is broken. Sadly, she doesn’t know what she doesn’t know.
1 hour ago, Xian said:

Do something two days ago about all The chemicals spilling into the ship channel?

To be completely fair, how could you tell if the ship channel was contaminated? 

46 minutes ago, Xian said:

Do something two days ago about all The chemicals spilling into the ship channel?  Like I don’t know, some recovery vessels?  If she doesn’t have the power use her bully pulpit. 

 

Not lie to the general public about the benzine and other chemicals in the air. You know it’s bad when shell has known and prepared for it about for days, but the county says nothing (and they have, I could tell something was wrong by them locking down the plant Monday).  

There were also lies about benzene levels after Harvey. Ed Emmett was in charge then.

Does the county judge have access to numbers the EPA doesn't? The EPA said they flew planes and everything was within safe levels. The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), a nongovernmental organization deployed 10 air-quality monitors to check for chemicals around Houston. By the way, the city requested the EDF monitors.

Schools were closed. People with respiratory issues, children, and the elderly were told to take precaution since day one. Not much else anyone can do other than sit and wait for lawsuits.

Regarding chemicals spilling into the ship channel. Is that Linda Hidalgo's job, or is it the responsibility of the City of Deer Park, ITC, the EPA, and emergency crews to have procedures and guidelines on how to handle situations like this. I don't know...

I had no issues with Ed Emmett and thought he did a good job, but I doubt things would have been handled much differently unless he knows more about chemical fires than the experts. As Jshep stated, lots of lessons learned here.

7 minutes ago, mycox said:

Does the county judge have access to numbers the EPA doesn't? The EPA said they flew planes and everything was within safe levels.

The EPA run by Andrew "Clean Coal" Wheeler?

To be completely fair, how could you tell if the ship channel was contaminated? 

Geography? The location of both the fire and the ship channel?
2 minutes ago, HouTex said:


Geography? The location of both the fire and the ship channel?

When you have to explain the joke...

Spoiler

It was contaminated as fuck to start with.

 

When you have to explain the joke...
Spoiler It was contaminated as fuck to start with.
 

You told a shitty joke.

You can’t contain that much water/foam/contaminant. 

All those places on the ship channel should have controlled drains, but they would have filled and overflowed pretty quickly. 

Maybe there’s some floating dikes that could be deployed to contain any non miscible liquid that ends up floating in the channel?

Looks like a good foam party thoughImage result for foam picture ITC plant


By the way, an independent contractor CTEH also stated benzene levels were not a public health concern. 

 

Why the fuck are all those tanks so close to each other? Is waterfront land on the HSC that expensive?

huge learning curve for the new county judge, she'll get better

all this hits close to home, I get many recruiting calls from tank companies or companies performing tank services. those companies are going to bank over this disaster 

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1 hour ago, RPM said:

To be completely fair, how could you tell if the ship channel was contaminated? 

Because the tanks are just a few feet from the ship channel and they were spraying hundreds of gallons a minute of toxic foam plus whatever chemicals the tanks were spilling out.  They had cut off all power to the area so the dikes pumps weren’t working (even if they were they would have been overwhelmed by the massive volumn of fluid)

 

plus anyone with eyes could see the foam in the channel from the news helecopter 

Apparently the sarcasm sensors on Surly are broken.

1 hour ago, HouTex said:


You told a shitty joke.

Or it was over the audience's head.

Shelter in place for deer park. Schools are closed. Pasadena isd effected also. 225 closed down

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So I still cannot go eat at Monument Inn?

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The foam dispersed allowing the benzene to escape.  The cold weather is causing the benzene to drop close to the ground.  We are running a skeleton crew and have our respirators out.  I'm thinking about going back to nuclear power where it was safe. 

Coworkers were supposed to go to an event in Pasadena this morning.  Not happening.

39 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

The foam dispersed allowing the benzene to escape.  The cold weather is causing the benzene to drop close to the ground.  We are running a skeleton crew and have our respirators out.  I'm thinking about going back to nuclear power where it was safe. 

Won't a good bit of that lift once it warms up a little? I'd imagine that it will be bad in the mornings for a while but not too terribly long though there's probably always going to be a lingering aroma.

So I still cannot go eat at Monument Inn?

Benzene burger?
Redfish - Pasadena sauce?
Naptha nachos?
Ship Cannel Sampler platter?
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It should but out of abundance of caution it's probably gonna be like that for a few days. Acceptable limits is 0.5 ppm for benzene.  

Be glad that fog isnt around anymore. Shit, that would have been really bad.

23 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Rename that town to Bhopal.

Nonsense. A little benzene in the air is good for the bronchitis, opens up the airways. Should become a tourist trap like Hot Springs.

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