September 26, 20196 yr 47 minutes ago, Dondrysdale1 said: Needs to be hammered at all these writers trying to give trout the mvp. Yup! Bregman put up his numbers in 152 games while his teammates only played in 75 (Correa), 121 (Altuve) and 118 (Springer).
September 26, 20196 yr When will start time be announced for game 1 ALDS? After the regular season ends or after the wild card games?
September 26, 20196 yr The difference between Bregman and the next best 3rd baseman is greater than the difference between Trout and the next best OF.. Therefore, Bregman is more valuable.
September 26, 20196 yr When will start time be announced for game 1 ALDS? After the regular season ends or after the wild card games?It’s been between the regular season and wild card games the last two yearsLooks for something to be announced Monday...but I’ll be quite surprised if it’s not ~3pm if it’s us vs A’s and ~12pm if it’s us vs Rays/IndiansNL WC at Dodgers will be the late game FridayTwins at Yankees, primetime gameCards at Braves the other afternoon game opposite us. If we play the A’s I’m assuming they’ll give us mid-late afternoon Central start time so the game isn’t starting in the AM on the West coast.Maaaybe we’ll get that same slot even if it’s us vs Rays/Indians but I could see them moving Cards/Braves to mid-late afternoon if Rays or Indians are the AL WC
September 26, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Dondrysdale1 said: Anyone have the Keith law ESPN+ piece? AL MVP: Spoiler It's Trout, again, although we all know there's a good chance the voters will decide to honor somebody else because the Angels missed the playoffs or because they just undervalue Trout since he's been so good for so long now. Bregman had a wonderful season, and if you want to give him the American League Most Valuable Player Not Named Mike Trout award, by all means do so. Note that the standings-related argument doesn't really hold water here, as the Astros would be in first place even if you replaced Bregman with a replacement-level player. AL CY: Spoiler I could see either of the Astros candidates winning this award, and being deserving of it, and there's a strong sabermetric argument in favor of Minor -- although the extent of the adjustments required to make his case makes even me uncomfortable. I gave the nod to Cole because he has a much higher strikeout rate than Verlander and a lower FIP, as Verlander's BABIP of .218 is definitely a function of Houston's defense -- it's the lowest BABIP of Verlander's career, way below his career mark of .281. If you want to vote for Verlander, who did lead the league in innings and has the highest rWAR among AL pitchers, I won't argue. AL ROY: Spoiler Kind of an uninspiring rookie crop in the AL this year, with Vlad Guerrero Jr. having such a disappointing season at the plate and in the field (with a minus-10 UZR in 815 innings, worst of any third baseman in MLB) and his teammate Bo Bichette coming up a bit too late to make the top three. Alvarez is going to win this, probably unanimously, since there really isn't a viable alternative, although my preference in these awards is definitely for players who contribute on both sides of the ball. I generally like Law. I knew he'd be on Trout as MVP - he pretty much adheres to the data. No real problem there. But he seems to gloss over just how good Yordan has been (best OPS+ in baseball since his call-up) and instead focuses on him being a DH. If I didn't know better, I'd say Law is downplaying Yordan's season because he didn't have him rated that highly in the preseason. Yes, it is an "uninspiring rookie crop" in the AL - except for that one guy who has been historically good, and has surpassed 4 WAR in half a season despite being docked for his defense. You know - he's basically been peak David Ortiz in his age-22 rookie year. I guess that's "uninspiring." https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/27700162/keith-law-2019-mvp-cy-young-rookie-year-picks Edited September 26, 20196 yr by Hank Chinaski
September 26, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: I wouldn’t mind if Correa sits out the first series to heal up He sat out six weeks and only went two games before getting hurt again. What makes you think sitting out the first series gets him healed up?
September 26, 20196 yr It's neat that Vlad Jr. can play a below average 3rd base. That really helps Toronto a ton. It's also pretty likely that he's going to eat himself in to a DH in the next 5 years. Edited September 26, 20196 yr by kevwun
September 26, 20196 yr How the fuck is there a strong sabermetric case for Mike Minor over Cole or JV?
September 26, 20196 yr It’s been between the regular season and wild card games the last two yearsLooks for something to be announced Monday...but I’ll be quite surprised if it’s not ~3pm if it’s us vs A’s and ~12pm if it’s us vs Rays/IndiansNL WC at Dodgers will be the late game FridayTwins at Yankees, primetime gameCards at Braves the other afternoon game opposite us. If we play the A’s I’m assuming they’ll give us mid-late afternoon Central start time so the game isn’t starting in the AM on the West coast.Maaaybe we’ll get that same slot even if it’s us vs Rays/Indians but I could see them moving Cards/Braves to mid-late afternoon if Rays or Indians are the AL WC ATL will have the earliest game regardless who we play.If not then there are more tards involved than I originally thought
September 26, 20196 yr 45 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said: AL MVP: Hide contents It's Trout, again, although we all know there's a good chance the voters will decide to honor somebody else because the Angels missed the playoffs or because they just undervalue Trout since he's been so good for so long now. Bregman had a wonderful season, and if you want to give him the American League Most Valuable Player Not Named Mike Trout award, by all means do so. Note that the standings-related argument doesn't really hold water here, as the Astros would be in first place even if you replaced Bregman with a replacement-level player. AL CY: Hide contents I could see either of the Astros candidates winning this award, and being deserving of it, and there's a strong sabermetric argument in favor of Minor -- although the extent of the adjustments required to make his case makes even me uncomfortable. I gave the nod to Cole because he has a much higher strikeout rate than Verlander and a lower FIP, as Verlander's BABIP of .218 is definitely a function of Houston's defense -- it's the lowest BABIP of Verlander's career, way below his career mark of .281. If you want to vote for Verlander, who did lead the league in innings and has the highest rWAR among AL pitchers, I won't argue. AL ROY: Hide contents Kind of an uninspiring rookie crop in the AL this year, with Vlad Guerrero Jr. having such a disappointing season at the plate and in the field (with a minus-10 UZR in 815 innings, worst of any third baseman in MLB) and his teammate Bo Bichette coming up a bit too late to make the top three. Alvarez is going to win this, probably unanimously, since there really isn't a viable alternative, although my preference in these awards is definitely for players who contribute on both sides of the ball. I generally like Law. I knew he'd be on Trout as MVP - he pretty much adheres to the data. No real problem there. But he seems to gloss over just how good Yordan has been (best OPS+ in baseball since his call-up) and instead focuses on him being a DH. If I didn't know better, I'd say Law is downplaying Yordan's season because he didn't have him rated that highly in the preseason. Yes, it is an "uninspiring rookie crop" in the AL - except for that one guy who has been historically good, and has surpassed 4 WAR in half a season despite being docked for his defense. You know - he's basically been peak David Ortiz in his age-22 rookie year. I guess that's "uninspiring." https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/27700162/keith-law-2019-mvp-cy-young-rookie-year-picks Law is a self important twit.
September 26, 20196 yr 25 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said: How the fuck is there a strong sabermetric case for Mike Minor over Cole or JV? It's a good question - he and Lynn have been loved by the advanced metrics all year. I assume it has to do with ballpark adjustments (high run environment in Arlington), defensive adjustments (Rangers are a bad defensive team), and some other stuff. And different methods of calculating give very different results. For example - Minor is at 7.6 WAR on B-R and 4.0 on FG. I don't think anyone will get a 1st or 2nd place vote other than JV and Cole. Edited September 26, 20196 yr by Hank Chinaski
September 26, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, maninblack said: Law is a self important twit. Yeah, he is certainly arrogant and condescending, but that's part of his shtick. He's a know-it-all. But I generally like his content on prospects. What bugs me is that he is thin-skinned and defensive. The AL ROY writeup above seems passive-aggressive in that he completely sidesteps acknowledging the really impressive accomplishments of the soon-to-be unanimous ROY because he is a guy Law didn't have in his top-100 before the season. I get why he wasn't in the top-100...he often states that DH-only type don't generally get included because they have to hit a lot to be valuable, and most prospects won't; I don't disagree with him. But when a guy comes up and is the best hitter in the league for 4 months, he should probably get over it and acknowledge that nobody could have seen this type of performance from Yordan. Instead he makes no mention of Yordan's accomplishments and calls the class "uninspiring." Seems petulant. Edited September 26, 20196 yr by Hank Chinaski
September 26, 20196 yr Take that to astros nations FB !!!! [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]Management needs to fix their shit
September 26, 20196 yr The Trout fanboys have been pointing to WAR as the main reason to give the MVP award to Trout over Bregman. Bregman has closed that to 8.3 vs 8.2. Sure they can still point to the fact that Trout played fewer games to get it to 8.3 but the fewer games could just as well work against Trout. Also while salary shouldn't necessarily be considered, Bregman was paid $640K with Trout at $36.8M. If you ask any GM who would they have rather had in their lineup this year, assuming everything played out identically, I would guess 29 out of 30 would say Bregman.
September 26, 20196 yr agree completely with law trying to justify his own shitty pre-rank. that all said, why in the world would you punish somebody for playing their position? would it be better if he was a full time left-fielder in the nl tripping over himself and running into the wall, but mashing at the plate, thus justifying his spot in the lineup, even when he was actively hurting his team defensively? like it or not, the american league uses a dh. they have an entire position devoted to mashing and only mashing. he didn't fuck up another position and get relegated to pinch-hitting duties. he was brought up to dh and managed to hit in the heart of arguably the best lineup in the last 75 years. i understand not considering a full-time dh for mvp against a guy who plays an important position for his team and who excelled defensively. but this is roy. the only comparison i can think of is if max scherzer went 25-5 with a 1.99era and 315k and should be mvp, but they gave it to someone else because scherzer hit .085 at the plate. you know why i don't care? because that's not his fucking job. sorry vlad jr let you down, but that's 100% a "you" problem, keith. and gtfo of here even mentioning mike minor.
September 26, 20196 yr also, re: trout, i don't always completely agree with "best guy on the best team" awards, but it should be said that while trout is certainly the most talented/best player on the planet, having one of his best years, most all of his stats were accumulated in low-stakes, low-stress, "who cares" types of situations. it's not just about helping a great team win games, it's about the environment and the setting where you're forced to excel. bregman carried his team while every other star missed significant time. he also switched from a hard position to a harder position, and he's played it with absolute excellence without making a single complaint or excuse when things weren't going swimmingly at the plate. and who are we to say that a mid-level replacement for bregman would still result in the astros in first place? the a's have 95 wins which basically puts them 9 wins (~bregman) behind us. maybe he's the reason we finish with the 1 seed and maybe a g7 at home is what wins us the world series. if he's the difference between losing in the alcs and winning the world series, i don't know, that seems fairly valuable (considering the regular season sets up the post-season bracket). also he actually played a game after sept 5. the best ability is availability, and if you're gonna miss 16% of the season, you better win the triple crown. in 2017, at the all-star break, they asked whether anyone could catch aaron judge for mvp. someone jokingly responded, "well, i guess it's possible judge goes 0-for-the 2nd half. i think we know what happened that year, and it wasn't close. baseball writers generally suck, but hopefully they haven't counted their chickens. law said, "bregman had a wonderful season." shit ain't over yet, keith.
September 26, 20196 yr If LAD and HOU finish with identical season records and play each other in the World Series, who would get home field?
September 26, 20196 yr If LAD and HOU finish with identical season records and play each other in the World Series, who would get home field?Astros own the tiebreaker which is record against your division. Astros are 53-19. Dodgers are 47-25
September 26, 20196 yr 42 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: The Trout fanboys have been pointing to WAR as the main reason to give the MVP award to Trout over Bregman. Bregman has closed that to 8.3 vs 8.2. Sure they can still point to the fact that Trout played fewer games to get it to 8.3 but the fewer games could just as well work against Trout. Also while salary shouldn't necessarily be considered, Bregman was paid $640K with Trout at $36.8M. If you ask any GM who would they have rather had in their lineup this year, assuming everything played out identically, I would guess 29 out of 30 would say Bregman. It will be an interesting vote. I think most voters realize that, although WAR is a strong indicator of how good of an all-around season a player has had, it is not a precise metric. You can't argue that there is a meaningful difference between 8.3 WAR and 8.2 WAR (or 8.0). I get the argument that Trout produced that value in fewer games, and thus produced more value/game. But participation also counts. I'm just not sure how much voters will factor it in. But yeah - does the fact that Trout produced more value on a per-game basis trump the fact that Bregman was just as valuable for the season and participated in almost every game at defensive "skill positions" (especially considering the all-star SS missed most of the year)? I think one could make a compelling case either way.
September 26, 20196 yr I'm not taking anything away from Trout being the best player in baseball but Bregman should get the MVP. And if the awards are basically going to the best numbers now, why is Hinch not a shoo-in for Manager of the Year?
September 26, 20196 yr Yeah I hope Bregman wins it. He'll definitely get a lot of 1st-place votes. I think it'll be close.
September 26, 20196 yr While the debate is interesting, Trout will win it in a runaway. The latest MLB.com poll had him getting 36/37 1st place votes. Btw JV got 24 votes to Cole’s 11 for ALCY.
September 26, 20196 yr How the fuck is there a strong sabermetric case for Mike Minor over Cole or JV?Because Keith Law is a windbag of douche. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk
September 26, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said: AL MVP: Reveal hidden contents It's Trout, again, although we all know there's a good chance the voters will decide to honor somebody else because the Angels missed the playoffs or because they just undervalue Trout since he's been so good for so long now. Bregman had a wonderful season, and if you want to give him the American League Most Valuable Player Not Named Mike Trout award, by all means do so. Note that the standings-related argument doesn't really hold water here, as the Astros would be in first place even if you replaced Bregman with a replacement-level player. AL CY: Reveal hidden contents I could see either of the Astros candidates winning this award, and being deserving of it, and there's a strong sabermetric argument in favor of Minor -- although the extent of the adjustments required to make his case makes even me uncomfortable. I gave the nod to Cole because he has a much higher strikeout rate than Verlander and a lower FIP, as Verlander's BABIP of .218 is definitely a function of Houston's defense -- it's the lowest BABIP of Verlander's career, way below his career mark of .281. If you want to vote for Verlander, who did lead the league in innings and has the highest rWAR among AL pitchers, I won't argue. AL ROY: Reveal hidden contents Kind of an uninspiring rookie crop in the AL this year, with Vlad Guerrero Jr. having such a disappointing season at the plate and in the field (with a minus-10 UZR in 815 innings, worst of any third baseman in MLB) and his teammate Bo Bichette coming up a bit too late to make the top three. Alvarez is going to win this, probably unanimously, since there really isn't a viable alternative, although my preference in these awards is definitely for players who contribute on both sides of the ball. I generally like Law. I knew he'd be on Trout as MVP - he pretty much adheres to the data. No real problem there. But he seems to gloss over just how good Yordan has been (best OPS+ in baseball since his call-up) and instead focuses on him being a DH. If I didn't know better, I'd say Law is downplaying Yordan's season because he didn't have him rated that highly in the preseason. Yes, it is an "uninspiring rookie crop" in the AL - except for that one guy who has been historically good, and has surpassed 4 WAR in half a season despite being docked for his defense. You know - he's basically been peak David Ortiz in his age-22 rookie year. I guess that's "uninspiring." https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/27700162/keith-law-2019-mvp-cy-young-rookie-year-picks This isn't an uninspiring rookie crop in the AL. Holy shit what a retarded statement. Yeah, Guerrero struggled a little bit. So what, he is still going to be a fucking star. As far as the MVP goes, Bregman was the constant star in the Astros order as they dealt with injuries to Altuve, Springer, and Correa. Sure the Astros would have likely won the division with a league average 3B, such as Toro, if you give me full healthy seasons from 2 of the 3 above. Not too mention, the Angels are still a shitty team without Trout. Edited September 26, 20196 yr by HtownHorn
September 26, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Mez2 said: HFA magic number is 1, right? Or did I misremember it somewhere 1 over the Yankees, 2 over the Dodgers.
September 26, 20196 yr As long as you keep drinking until you go to bed. Sobering up in the late afternoon/early evening sucks.
September 26, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, kevwun said: As long as you keep drinking until you go to bed. Sobering up in the late afternoon/early evening sucks. Wanna know how I know we haven't met? Amirite? @ERhine @UTPhil2006 @Ldogg53 just kidding playoff time, we are all united.
September 26, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, TonyTexas said: While the debate is interesting, Trout will win it in a runaway. The latest MLB.com poll had him getting 36/37 1st place votes. Btw JV got 24 votes to Cole’s 11 for ALCY. Damn. I do think Trout will win but I expect actual voting to be closer than that.
September 26, 20196 yr 32 minutes ago, HtownHorn said: 1 over the Yankees, 2 over the Dodgers. Thinking about booking a flight out to CA and bringing my bat and glove. Maybe I might get some playing time. maybe hang out with @henrygandorf
September 26, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, TonyTexas said: While the debate is interesting, Trout will win it in a runaway. The latest MLB.com poll had him getting 36/37 1st place votes. Btw JV got 24 votes to Cole’s 11 for ALCY. Reggie Bush never really comes to mind, but for a fleeting moment now he does. When is the AL MVP award announced? I just want to know when to expect Bregs to have a 12-RBI playoff game.
September 26, 20196 yr Looks like yordan and yuli are asking for a SS with the help wanted sign on yordans ig story
September 26, 20196 yr The awards aren't announced until after the world series. Edited September 26, 20196 yr by kevwun
September 26, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, kevwun said: The awards aren't announced until after the world series. Well, bummer. Guess Bregs will have to assume he's going to get snubbed. Not that losing out to Mike Trout is in any way shameful, but you know. Whatever it takes to focus.
September 26, 20196 yr Yeah votes are due within a few days after the end of the season...maybe even before the WC game Tuesday...but they don’t announce until early to mid November to keep MLB in the news cycle for as long as possible.And in the meantime someone goes off in the playoffs (Bregman!) but finishes short in one of the award categories and the mouth breathers (whatever that FB group is y’all were talking about) scream bloody murder that their guy didn’t win the (regular season) award...”look what he did in the playoffs!!! Meanwhile, Trout was jerking off on his couch at home!”facepalm
September 26, 20196 yr 18 hours ago, runthebone said: Usually they only do that after scoring 20. Game 1 strategy for whoever we play in the ALDS should be to lose by 20.
September 26, 20196 yr 24 minutes ago, TonyTexas said: Here’s the lineup that’s going to clinch the AL HFA
September 27, 20196 yr Hinch is basically saying to Miley that if he wants to make the playoff roster, he will be getting no help from his defense tonight Or offense.
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