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Found this on the wine list while in DC last week.
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  • if i do not get an explanation as to how b_p and milkman each drink over $100,000 of wine every weekend before this site ultimately shuts down, i am going to be severely pissed off.

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I can assure you that Texas and Oklahoma wines....suck


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While the wineries in TX are young,  i won't say in their infancy, the wine trail here in TX is vibrant and better/bigger than i ever considered or gave it credit for.  A few weekends back we hopped around doing tastings and thoroughly enjoyed our time.  Whether it was the tasting rooms from non Texas wineries or the Texas wineries we were pleasantly surprised.  I couldn't help but feel a bit proud of what are state is producing.  If you haven't been in recent years, take the short trip west, you won't be disappointed.  


I agree take a trip west to......California or Oregon! The Texas wine scene is horribad. It’s astounding what people will pay for crappy Texas wine!

Opened a 2002 Neal Family Cabernet Sauvignon and 2003 Pride Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon for Father's Day dinner with the family.  No pics, sorry, but both were really nice.  Fully mature but plenty of fruit and wonderful aromas.  Just well made wines.  One from Rutherford floor (Neal) and the other with mountain fruit (Pride).  The Pride had a little more red fruit flavors and aromas (brighter) than the Neal, but both were rock solid.

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On 6/17/2018 at 8:30 PM, BearCountry11 said:

We loved Calais.  Did that one, William Chris, and Kuhlman to start the day and were very impressed.  Hilmy was also good.  After that our pallets were pretty done so we called it a day and ended with cocktails at The Stable (recommended).  

I liked the Stable, too.   nice little spot

On 6/17/2018 at 10:42 PM, milkman said:

 


I agree take a trip west to......California or Oregon! The Texas wine scene is horribad. It’s astounding what people will pay for crappy Texas wine!

 

horribad is a bit strong.   lots more serious winemakers and growers now than even just 5 years ago.   fairly rapid progress.   lots of shit in Cali, too, they just spend a lot of money on additives and manipulations to get that awesome spiked grape juice America so loves.

3 hours ago, bularry1 said:

horribad is a bit strong.   lots more serious winemakers and growers now than even just 5 years ago.   fairly rapid progress.   lots of shit in Cali, too, they just spend a lot of money on additives and manipulations to get that awesome spiked grape juice America so loves.

I would expect the best wines in Texas to be grown near Marfa (if they have vineyards there).

The altitude and the fluctuations in temperature from day to night should really be good for the grape. Also, I feel like it's practically desert out there (rocky soil to boot), so irrigation could be used to manipulate the grape so that it would be almost impossible to have a bad vintage.

I'd think that fall thunderstorms and hail would be the biggest threat to the grapes, but I can't imagine why that wouldn't be the best wine region in Texas.

4 hours ago, bularry1 said:

horribad is a bit strong.   lots more serious winemakers and growers now than even just 5 years ago.   fairly rapid progress.   lots of shit in Cali, too, they just spend a lot of money on additives and manipulations to get that awesome spiked grape juice America so loves.

Still nowhere near age quality of Napa.  And the high-end makers, especially the small production guys, are not using "additives and manipulations."  What wine are you referring to?

1 hour ago, Napoleon said:

I would expect the best wines in Texas to be grown near Marfa (if they have vineyards there).

The altitude and the fluctuations in temperature from day to night should really be good for the grape. Also, I feel like it's practically desert out there (rocky soil to boot), so irrigation could be used to manipulate the grape so that it would be almost impossible to have a bad vintage.

I'd think that fall thunderstorms and hail would be the biggest threat to the grapes, but I can't imagine why that wouldn't be the best wine region in Texas.

I think there is one tiny vineyard out there.  The overwhelming majority of grapes are grown in the High Plains.

4 hours ago, bularry1 said:

horribad is a bit strong.   lots more serious winemakers and growers now than even just 5 years ago.   fairly rapid progress.   lots of shit in Cali, too, they just spend a lot of money on additives and manipulations to get that awesome spiked grape juice America so loves.

Touche...To each their own.  Some of the hill country juice I tried years back was not drinkable.  I have heard decent things about Calais. 

13 hours ago, AustinMT said:

Still nowhere near age quality of Napa.  And the high-end makers, especially the small production guys, are not using "additives and manipulations."  What wine are you referring to?

First, I wasn't comparing any Texas wine to Spottswoode or stuff like that in Napa.   Secondly, regarding ageability, who knows, as that story has a long way to go to be told for Texas wines.  In general I would agree with you, but Texas wine making is in its infancy.

a lot of Napa wine, even some pretty high end stuff, has some heavy handed manipulation. There are a lot of processes to manipulate color, alc levels, acidity, etc.  Obviously, many don't, too, but the large scale production stuff I'm talking about.

12 hours ago, milkman said:

Touche...To each their own.  Some of the hill country juice I tried years back was not drinkable.  I have heard decent things about Calais. 

I've had a lot of awful hill country wine.  Just saying there are some producers doing much better work recently than even 5 years ago.  QPR still isn't great.

7 minutes ago, bularry1 said:

First, I wasn't comparing any Texas wine to Spottswoode or stuff like that in Napa.   Secondly, regarding ageability, who knows, as that story has a long way to go to be told for Texas wines.  In general I would agree with you, but Texas wine making is in its infancy.

a lot of Napa wine, even some pretty high end stuff, has some heavy handed manipulation. There are a lot of processes to manipulate color, alc levels, acidity, etc.  Obviously, many don't, too, but the large scale production stuff I'm talking about.

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Messina Hof makes really good Port wine. I've had a couple bottles and I sometimes give them as gifts. 

19 hours ago, milkman said:

Just another Saturday and Sunday Funday!

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I'm a big fan of Aubert - same ballpark as Marcassin and Kongsgaard in my opinion.  What vineyard and vintage is this one?

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Insane collaboration

Rothschild and Vega! It was outstanding


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On 6/25/2018 at 6:15 PM, b_p said:

I'm a big fan of Aubert - same ballpark as Marcassin and Kongsgaard in my opinion.  What vineyard and vintage is this one?

2009 Lauren

7 hours ago, milkman said:

2009 Lauren

Very nice.  Should've been excellent.

I’m no wine snob. I drink a lot of red blends for less than $20 a bottle.  When I drink wine I like Sancerre.  I went to specs tonight and they had Pascal Jolivet on sale.  6 bottle price was $14.69 per.  I bought 30 bottles.  

On 7/4/2018 at 6:55 AM, DDD Dad said:

Not for big time Johnny.

Only the elite like me can afford 30 bottles of $15 wine.  

Sancerre is great with oysters.

Indeed. As is any sparkler.

I also like Vouvrays and other chenin blancs.
10 hours ago, DDD Dad said:


Indeed. As is any sparkler.

I also like Vouvrays and other chenin blancs.

nothing beats a good muscadet with a raw oyster.   nothing

11 hours ago, DDD Dad said:


Indeed. As is any sparkler.

 

Yep can confirm

26 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Holy shit, milkman even drinks wine on the beach!

He likes drinking wine alone in his garage.

On 7/8/2018 at 7:19 PM, Chewbacca said:

Holy shit, milkman even drinks wine on the beach!

Just spent almost a week camping down on Padre Island National Seashore, and drank pretty close to a boat-load of rose'.  It's so great for hot weather and seafood.

My new favorite value rose' is one called Zoe, from Greece.  

 

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14 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

The wine they call Zoe?

Indeed.  I was shocked, too.  Shows you just how powerful the H&G influence really is...

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On 7/8/2018 at 7:39 PM, HenryJames said:

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wait...your kid is white?

if you like the inexpensive trimbachs (or alsatian rieslings in general), splurge on a bottle of the clos st. hune. it is so fucking good.

Austin Wine Alert:

Twin at 2222/Balcones has some 2009 Notre Vin Howell Mountain Cab for $149.  I usually don’t buy wine at Twin because they mark up significantly.  This is a good price, and a great wine.  Grabbed some today.

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Wow, impressive.

 

How was the 2000?

 

How long did you need to let the ‘78 breathe?

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Dinner line up last night, with a sampling of meat from the Meat Shop in Dallas.

Nothing outrageous but solid all around, Palmaz needed many more hours to open up


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2000 DRC was on fire! First time I have had DRC. Beautiful wine!

Decanted the 78 for a little over an hour. Pairs great with snake river wagyu!

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