June 12, 20196 yr 10 hours ago, Mojo Hand said: The show didn't make up the 2-4 megaton explosion thing either. The Russians apparently believed at the time (wrongly, it seems) that is what was at stake (at 1:26): Here is Nesterenko's quote: Quote On 28 and 29 April, 1986, the researchers of the Physics of Reactors Department of the Institute of Atomic Energy at the Academy of Sciences of Belarus made some calculations which showed that 1,300 - 1,400 kg of a mixture of uranium, graphite and water made up a critical mass for an atomic explosion, capable of producing a force of 3 -5 megatons (this is 50 - 80 times greater than the force of the explosion at Hiroshima). https://wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/625/after-chernobyl-health-and-financial-consequences He is discussing a potential nuclear detonation, not a megaton scale steam explosion as was discussed on the show. You need an incredible amount of pressure to get weapons grade uranium to go critical, so the possibility of that happening from a steam explosion seems very far fetched.
June 12, 20196 yr 43 minutes ago, Fozzz said: Here is Nesterenko's quote: https://wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/625/after-chernobyl-health-and-financial-consequences He is discussing a potential nuclear detonation, not a megaton scale steam explosion as was discussed on the show. You need an incredible amount of pressure to get weapons grade uranium to go critical, so the possibility of that happening from a steam explosion seems very far fetched. So it's accurate that they thought there could be a 3-5 megaton explosion if the divers didn't empty the tanks, but the show incorrectly used the word "thermal" instead of "nuclear" when describing it. Seems like nitpicking to me; the bottom line is exactly the same.
June 12, 20196 yr Just now, Mojo Hand said: So it's accurate that they thought there could be a 3-5 megaton explosion if the divers didn't empty the tanks, but the show incorrectly used the word "thermal" instead of "nuclear" when describing it. Seems like nitpicking to me; the bottom line is exactly the same. No. Assuming the quote is even accurate, there is no context given for how and why they were performing that analysis. They could have been tasked to figure out what the absolute worst case scenario would be irrespective of the extreme unlikelihood of a nuclear detonation. It is very difficult and requires an immense degree of precision instigate that type of reaction. Read up on all the problems that had to be overcome to get the explosive lenses to work on the first atomic bombs. All a steam explosion is going to do is blow the core apart and spread more radiation.
June 12, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said: That would be Western European allies, but hey who cares about geography. I’ll be sure to let Sweden, Yugoslavia, Finland, Austria, Turkey, and Greece that we weren’t some degree of friends back then, that they were NOT in the danger zone of a reactor detonation, and they are also not east of Western Europe, but rather a new direction. When do we tell them the news?
June 12, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, Fozzz said: No. Assuming the quote is even accurate, there is no context given for how and why they were performing that analysis. They could have been tasked to figure out what the absolute worst case scenario would be irrespective of the extreme unlikelihood of a nuclear detonation. It is very difficult and requires an immense degree of precision instigate that type of reaction. Read up on all the problems that had to be overcome to get the explosive lenses to work on the first atomic bombs. All a steam explosion is going to do is blow the core apart and spread more radiation. The context in the documentary is that the threat of such an explosion drove them to dig the tunnel. That is precisely what the show represented. Whether or not you think that is accurate, the show plainly did not make up the idea, as you suggested, but rather had a legitimate basis for representing that it was in the minds of those making the decisions at the time.
June 12, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, Constant said: Fozzz is Dyatlov; Dyatlov is Fozz. The reactor is fine. Just bringing this quote for reference.
June 12, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, Lobo said: You know that the reactor almost detonated a yield that would have killed millions of our Allies in Eastern Europe? The CIA does weird shit, but typically starting with wars with other continents isn't one of them. Eastern Europe isn't world-wide.
June 12, 20196 yr Okay, I’ll bite. Remind me when i said the detonation/explosion they mentioned in the series would kill people worldwide. They talk about Eastern Europe fallout crisis. I mentioned some of the countries that would have been effected were our friends, even if not part of NATO. Millions more almost got dead or at least massive exposure. Many of those folks weren’t in communist countries. Just pointing that out. cIA does bad shit, but they typically avoid irradiating a few million of our friends.
June 12, 20196 yr 55 minutes ago, Lobo said: Okay, I’ll bite. Remind me when i said the detonation/explosion they mentioned in the series would kill people worldwide. They talk about Eastern Europe fallout crisis. I mentioned some of the countries that would have been effected were our friends, even if not part of NATO. Millions more almost got dead or at least massive exposure. Many of those folks weren’t in communist countries. Just pointing that out. cIA does bad shit, but they typically avoid irradiating a few million of our friends. Look, I really don't mean to be "that guy" but the comment was "world-wide devastation". All I'm saying is that it wasn't world-wide. Not even close. Regional devastation? Sure. World-wide? Imo, no.
June 13, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, SizzleChest said: This is how threads go to shit. You mean like a nuclear melt down ?
June 13, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said: You mean like a nuclear melt down ? No, like a explosion of uncontrolled fission caused by hot uranium mixing in water. Or something. Regardless of any chemical reaction, all that hot radioactive material would definitely get thrown up in the air and go all over most of Europe. Friend and foe alike would fair poorly.
June 13, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Parliament said: No, like a explosion of uncontrolled fission caused by hot uranium mixing in water. Or something. Regardless of any chemical reaction, all that hot radioactive material would definitely get thrown up in the air and go all over most of Europe. Friend and foe alike would fair poorly. Meh, sounds like a lot of hot air if you ask me....
June 13, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, SizzleChest said: This is how threads go to shit. We should put that on our money.
June 13, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Radical Larry said: Can’t believe that was the same guy who played Wez the gay biker from the Road Warrior.
June 13, 20196 yr I’m sure this is the impact that the show creators wanted to make:https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/instagram-models-are-flocking-to-chernobyl-for-nuclear-hot-pics-after-hbos-miniseries?utm_source=instagram.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=organic_social_instagram_story_instagram_barstool_20190525&utm_content=story&utm_term=instagram_barstool
June 13, 20196 yr They should do that because the firetrucks are still so radioactive they aren't safe to be near.
June 14, 20196 yr One day this thread is going to melt down and flow all the way down into the cloak room and destroy all who reside there...
June 14, 20196 yr Being a long time government employee i can say their portrayal of a soul crushing bureaucracy was spot on. The scenes of him trying to explain the reality of the situation while his superiors refused to listen really hit close to home. Luckily nothing im responsible for can directly kill anyone or I would have had a heart attack by now.
June 14, 20196 yr Iirc, that half-life of this radiation is about 40 years. There won't be much long-term damage to the environment.
June 14, 20196 yr On 6/13/2019 at 6:59 AM, RPM said: They should reopen the hotel and amusement park. they should reopen the nucular power plant
June 14, 20196 yr 22 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said: they should reopen the nucular power plant That's scheduled for about 100 years from now.
June 14, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said: they should reopen the nucular power plant In Soviet Russia, nuclear power plant opens YOU. Edited June 14, 20196 yr by RamjetFDO
June 14, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, Asithappens said: Iirc, that half-life of this radiation is about 40 years. There won't be much long-term damage to the environment. lulz no
June 14, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, Asithappens said: Iirc, that half-life of this radiation is about 40 years. There won't be much long-term damage to the environment. listen to the man Otter, he's pre-science.
June 15, 20196 yr Half lives notwithstanding, I don’t see how we can really know the long term effects of radiation. Obviously the acute radiation has immediate results, but it’s not like you can do controlled scientific method experiments on widespread radiation exposure.
June 15, 20196 yr Half lives notwithstanding, I don’t see how we can really know the long term effects of radiation. Obviously the acute radiation has immediate results, but it’s not like you can do controlled scientific method experiments on widespread radiation exposure.
June 15, 20196 yr actually we can. one of the things they did after the atomic bombs were dropped is map out where the survivors were and based on how far away they were from the blast they had a pretty good idea of how much radiation they got and then did long term studies on cancer rates. What they found is below a certain amount there was no difference in life spans, for a medium range of radiation there was actually an increase in life spans, but above that there was a shortening of life spans. Many people believe some radiation is actually good, that it helps kill germs and viruses among other things. You get radiation every day from the sun, bricks in your house or rocks in the ground. People in Denver get a lot more radiation than those in Miami, but no one ever thinks about the amount of radiation they are going to get when picking a place to live.
June 15, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said: I mean, unless you are looking at apartments in Pripyat. You save a lot on night lights.
June 15, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Telegraph_it said: The moon people are going to get a lot more radiation. We will adapt!
June 15, 20196 yr actually we can. one of the things they did after the atomic bombs were dropped is map out where the survivors were and based on how far away they were from the blast they had a pretty good idea of how much radiation they got and then did long term studies on cancer rates. What they found is below a certain amount there was no difference in life spans, for a medium range of radiation there was actually an increase in life spans, but above that there was a shortening of life spans. Many people believe some radiation is actually good, that it helps kill germs and viruses among other things. You get radiation every day from the sun, bricks in your house or rocks in the ground. People in Denver get a lot more radiation than those in Miami, but no one ever thinks about the amount of radiation they are going to get when picking a place to live. Ok fair enough but my point is that we can’t just go irradiate a city/country every time we want to test the effects. Yours is a unique example that cannot be repeated.
June 16, 20196 yr Legasov and Sherbina’s eulogies should have been the opening monologue from The Big Lebowski delivered by Sam Elliot himself. ”some- times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro, 'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Legasov and Sherbina here-- sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's Legasov and Sherbina, in Chernobyl.
June 16, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Goredho said: Legasov and Sherbina’s eulogies should have been the opening monologue from The Big Lebowski delivered by Sam Elliot himself. ”some- times there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro, 'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes there's a man. And I'm talkin' about Legasov and Sherbina here-- sometimes there's a man who, wal, he's the man for his time'n place, he fits right in there--and that's Legasov and Sherbina, in Chernobyl. Russia's symbol does happen to be the bear...
June 17, 20196 yr 54 minutes ago, RamjetFDO said: In Soviet Russia, Branson, Missouri plays you. https://yakov.com/yakov-in-branson/
June 17, 20196 yr 15 minutes ago, Deej said: In Soviet Russia, Branson, Missouri plays you. https://yakov.com/yakov-in-branson/ What a country!
June 18, 20196 yr People are paying $58 to see Yakov Smirnov in Branson, Missouri at 10 o'clock in the morning. That's happening. Right now. In this country. On our watch. And Republicans don't think the Russians are meddling in our affairs?
June 23, 20196 yr On 5/15/2019 at 5:15 AM, Texas_Rocks said: “We’ve compiled a list of individuals to hold accountable.”, or something like that, but it was a knee slapper when it happened. Did a helicopter really go down after getting too close, or was that added for TV effect?
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