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On 3/9/2022 at 12:20 PM, closetojumping said:

 

So the brothel shitbag is Kallestad. Maybe Everett was the dirty cop who escapes implication. Some of his lackeys rise up the ranks to leadership positions and power to this day, thus driving y'all's concerns on privacy and such? Seems like the cop that phoned in seeing the smoke on a "routine" shift to the FD would obviously be involved. Investigating that guy unwinds the case. Hypothetically.

Troy Gay was the young APD officer who phoned in the fire. Rose all the way up the ranks to Assistant chief and chief of staff. Recently retired. 

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On 3/9/2022 at 11:32 PM, Gatorubet said:


I owned one in the 80s. If you threw it at someone and hit them, you could hurt them.

Well it was a lethal enough gun to ultimately kill Amy Ayers. Maybe their hard to trace .22 ran out of bullets so they used an easy to trace .380 instead after first trying to strangle her after she crawled away. That makes sense. 

On 2/20/2022 at 6:01 PM, JimmyJames said:

Has anyone ever heard of an AMT backup?

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/AMT_Backup

I have never owned one of these but I was at a gun show in Wichita, 197?, when an off duty WPD patrolman shot himself in the foot with one. He had just purchased it and attempted to put it into an ankle holster with some difficulty. The gun fired, the place went silent, a lot of slides were heard cycling and then he started moaning "Oh Fuck, Oh Fuck". Put a real damper on the festivities.

I have never owned one of these but I was at a gun show in Wichita…

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5 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Troy Gay was the young APD officer who phoned in the fire. Rose all the way up the ranks to Assistant chief and chief of staff. Recently retired. 

Imagine that. 

  • 2 weeks later...

Speaking of old unsolved Austin murders, I’ll bet almost no one remembers the double murder of a middle age couple that ran a little book store near the SW corner of the I-35 Frontage road & Braker Lane. It took place just after dark sometime in the late 1970s, IIRC.
No witnesses, no clues or evidence ever found. We had recently moved to the Four Seasons neighbordhood over on the east side of 35 near Dessau Road. It caused quite a stir for our area, but was quickly forgotten by the rest of Austin, probably because it was almost out of town then. 
A double murderer may still walk among us.

The building was demolished a few years later and a bank branch is there now:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3765406,-97.6769179,3a,75y,264.59h,86.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46A9kwlJ0R3MKDpMNvMgGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

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Speaking of old unsolved Austin murders, I’ll bet almost no one remembers the double murder of a middle age couple that ran a little book store near the SW corner of the I-35 Frontage road & Braker Lane. It took place just after dark sometime in the late 1970s, IIRC.
No witnesses, no clues or evidence ever found. We had recently moved to the Four Seasons neighbordhood over on the east side of 35 near Dessau Road. It caused quite a stir for our area, but was quickly forgotten by the rest of Austin, probably because it was almost out of town then. 
A double murderer may still walk among us.
The building was demolished a few years later and a bank branch is there now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3765406,-97.6769179,3a,75y,264.59h,86.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46A9kwlJ0R3MKDpMNvMgGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

We were almost neighbors. I lived in the north oaks neighborhood that ran up next to the four seasons. I spent half my youth through that hood.

My dad worked at that Safeway and I worked at that Appletree - Randall’s.

Our youngest son moved out in 1993 and we moved up by Round Rock in 1995. 

Our youngest son moved out in 1993 and we moved up by Round Rock in 1995. 

We were there ‘85-‘97 I think.
6 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Speaking of old unsolved Austin murders, I’ll bet almost no one remembers the double murder of a middle age couple that ran a little book store near the SW corner of the I-35 Frontage road & Braker Lane. It took place just after dark sometime in the late 1970s, IIRC.
No witnesses, no clues or evidence ever found. We had recently moved to the Four Seasons neighbordhood over on the east side of 35 near Dessau Road. It caused quite a stir for our area, but was quickly forgotten by the rest of Austin, probably because it was almost out of town then. 
A double murderer may still walk among us.

The building was demolished a few years later and a bank branch is there now:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3765406,-97.6769179,3a,75y,264.59h,86.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46A9kwlJ0R3MKDpMNvMgGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Did you join the posse in search of the servant girl annihilator?

Has anyone seen Brat and the Servant Girl Annihilator in the same room?  

No because armybrat killed him on a dumbwaiter and assumed his legend.  Much as the Dread Pirate Roberts.  

Armybrat has always been here.  I should know, I've always been here...too.

  • 2 years later...

I was speaking with a forensic analyst who mentioned to me that a lot is going on with the case - new DNA evidence and such.

On 3/28/2022 at 1:29 PM, Guest Lobo said:

No because armybrat killed him on a dumbwaiter and assumed his legend.  Much as the Dread Pirate Roberts.  

Armybrat has always been here.  I should know, I've always been here...too.

#ripwolfgang.  Still bringing the laughs.

41 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I was speaking with a forensic analyst who mentioned to me that a lot is going on with the case - new DNA evidence and such.

I've probably mentioned it on this thread (or at the other place) but one of the yogurt shop defendants (Maurice Pierce) was shot and killed by APD a few yards from my house back in December, 2010.  The gunshots woke me up and they sounded like they were in my backyard (they were actually in my next door neighbor's backyard).  He was running from the police after a traffic stop on Parmer, and started jumping fences in people's backyards.  Ultimately he struggled with an officer who had caught up to him on foot, grabbed the officer's knife and cut his neck, but got shot in the process.  He tried to run away but died just down the block.  I had no idea what was going on at the time, I just heard gunshots and then a lot of police on the street in front of my house as they were searching for him.  They had our whole street shut down the next day and only allowed residents in and out, as they investigated the scene.  The police interviewed me but of course I didn't have much to add.  A news crew from KVUE also interviewed me.  That was Christmas Eve, 2010.  Weird day.

https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2010-12-24/former-yogurt-shop-suspect-killed-by-apd-updated/

 

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

I've probably mentioned it on this thread (or at the other place) but one of the yogurt shop defendants (Maurice Pierce) was shot and killed by APD a few yards from my house back in December, 2010.  The gunshots woke me up and they sounded like they were in my backyard (they were actually in my next door neighbor's backyard).  He was running from the police after a traffic stop on Parmer, and started jumping fences in people's backyards.  Ultimately he struggled with an officer who had caught up to him on foot, grabbed the officer's knife and cut his neck, but got shot in the process.  He tried to run away but died just down the block.  I had no idea what was going on at the time, I just heard gunshots and then a lot of police on the street in front of my house as they were searching for him.  They had our whole street shut down the next day and only allowed residents in and out, as they investigated the scene.  The police interviewed me but of course I didn't have much to add.  A news crew from KVUE also interviewed me.  That was Christmas Eve, 2010.  Weird day.

https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2010-12-24/former-yogurt-shop-suspect-killed-by-apd-updated/

 

Alternate theory: he was trying to get to the real killer and only made it to their next door neighbor's backyard. 

Alternate alternate theory: cops were pissed he got off after their desperate attempts at framing him and decided to just kill him. 

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Just now, ConferenceRoom said:

Alternate theory: he was trying to get to the real killer and only made it to their next door neighbor's backyard. 

Ha!  My name ain't Nicole!

14 hours ago, utee94 said:

The police interviewed me but of course I didn't have much to add.  A news crew from KVUE also interviewed me.

"so there I was......mid-fap...."

 

15 hours ago, Bevo said:

I was speaking with a forensic analyst who mentioned to me that a lot is going on with the case - new DNA evidence and such.

about damn time.  hope this leads somewhere finally

I grew up just south of Four Seasons in Windsor Hills, of course, I had no idea that's what it was called then, only do by looking at the map you linked.

Spent my late teen years, 85-92 hanging with my best friends who lived in Four Seasons.

On 3/26/2022 at 8:46 PM, GottaB said:


We were there ‘85-‘97 I think.

 

On 3/26/2022 at 7:14 PM, Armybrat said:

Our youngest son moved out in 1993 and we moved up by Round Rock in 1995. 

 

On 3/26/2022 at 6:52 PM, GottaB said:


We were almost neighbors. I lived in the north oaks neighborhood that ran up next to the four seasons. I spent half my youth through that hood.

My dad worked at that Safeway and I worked at that Appletree - Randall’s.

I grew up just south of Four Seasons in Windsor Hills, of course, I had no idea that's what it was called then, only do by looking at the map you linked.

Spent my late teen years, 85-92 hanging with my best friends who lived in Four Seasons.

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3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Not sure they changed Austin forever.

It was an event that people living in Austin at a particular snapshot in time can point to when the city lost a palpable amount of innocence.

21 minutes ago, royiv said:

It was an event that people living in Austin at a particular snapshot in time can point to when the city lost a palpable amount of innocence.

Oh really?

University of Texas tower shooting - Wikipedia

Seriously though, the details of those murders were/are haunting and incredibly sad.  I was a sophomore, so I was only a couple years older than the 2 oldest girls.  It really shook me.

Just now, DixonHur said:

Oh really?

University of Texas tower shooting - Wikipedia

Seriously though, the details of those murders were/are haunting and incredibly sad.  I was a sophomore, so I was only a couple years older than the 2 oldest girls.  It really shook me.

Uh, read my post again. I purposefully said “people living in Austin at a particular snapshot in time” with the Tower shooting in the back of my mind. I wasn’t alive during the Tower shooting, but I was in junior high for the yogurt shop murders and that event was a palpable change in the psyche of Austin.

7 minutes ago, royiv said:

Uh, read my post again. I purposefully said “people living in Austin at a particular snapshot in time” with the Tower shooting in the back of my mind. I wasn’t alive during the Tower shooting, but I was in junior high for the yogurt shop murders and that event was a palpable change in the psyche of Austin.

Oh, I read it, but I wasn't in HS so I guess the "innocence" of Austin never existed for me.

9 minutes ago, royiv said:

that event was a palpable change in the psyche of Austin.

Only one of those that I've been alive for:

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My grandparents were on the drag when Whitman started shooting. 

58 minutes ago, royiv said:

It was an event that people living in Austin at a particular snapshot in time can point to when the city lost a palpable amount of innocence.

When a particular race of people who had never been to the east side lost a palpable amount of innocence.

As someone who grew up in Austin and was a junior at Anderson that year...it certainly changed from what felt like a small town into something else.

Knew a lot of folks a Lanier and it certainly was something that hit the community very hard.  The fact they never found the killers just makes it one of those things.....

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

When a particular race of people who had never been to the east side lost a palpable amount of innocence.

And some of this.... 

Austin had the Coleen Reed murder right around the same time. It was a one-two punch.

16 minutes ago, Deej said:

Austin had the Coleen Reed murder right around the same time. It was a one-two punch.

Alway felt McDuff was involved in the yogurt shop murders too...just seemed like a thing only he and a few of his cronies were capable of...

5 minutes ago, t_eight said:

Alway felt McDuff was involved in the yogurt shop murders too...just seemed like a thing only he and a few of his cronies were capable of...

He didn't match the DNA, if I recall.

As far as true crime docs go that director has made some horrifically shitty ones. I imagine this will be more of the same with nothing interesting revealed.

Pretty sure she’s who we sat next to at a Killers show in NY a coupla years ago. When she found out we were from Austin, she started talking about her new project, asked us if we had heard of the murders (ummmm…yeah, we moved here then). I asked about any new info, and she of course didn’t seem to have any. I think we kind of annoyed her when we said “yeah, we know the story.”
31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Pretty sure she’s who we sat next to at a Killers show in NY a coupla years ago. When she found out we were from Austin, she started talking about her new project, asked us if we had heard of the murders (ummmm…yeah, we moved here then). I asked about any new info, and she of course didn’t seem to have any. I think we kind of annoyed her when we said “yeah, we know the story.”

well she sounds like a massive cunt. 

7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Pretty sure she’s who we sat next to at a Killers show in NY a coupla years ago. When she found out we were from Austin, she started talking about her new project, asked us if we had heard of the murders (ummmm…yeah, we moved here then). I asked about any new info, and she of course didn’t seem to have any. I think we kind of annoyed her when we said “yeah, we know the story.”

Band name checks out.

7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Pretty sure she’s who we sat next to at a Killers show in NY a coupla years ago. When she found out we were from Austin, she started talking about her new project, asked us if we had heard of the murders (ummmm…yeah, we moved here then). I asked about any new info, and she of course didn’t seem to have any. I think we kind of annoyed her when we said “yeah, we know the story.”

So….i was talking to one of my friends that knows her and knows more about the documentary. Apparently it’s more about the time and effect it had on the Austin community and less about the actual findings/investigation. That sounds completely fucking annoying to me.

8 hours ago, Helobious said:

I imagine this will be more of the same with nothing interesting revealed.

Now I know the filmmakers have solved the case

1 hour ago, DaggerHorns said:

So….i was talking to one of my friends that knows her and knows more about the documentary. Apparently it’s more about the time and effect it had on the Austin community and less about the actual findings/investigation. That sounds completely fucking annoying to me.

Yeah, because various Austin publications run similar stories every 5-10 years.

The only new thing would be DNA-related stuff.

1 hour ago, DaggerHorns said:

Apparently it’s more about the time and effect it had on the Austin community and less about the actual findings/investigation. 

Like how you can’t find a decent fast-food yogurt in Austin anymore?

7 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Like how you can’t find a decent fast-food yogurt in Austin anymore?

Image of This is so f*****g good!

15 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Oh really?

University of Texas tower shooting - Wikipedia

Seriously though, the details of those murders were/are haunting and incredibly sad.  I was a sophomore, so I was only a couple years older than the 2 oldest girls.  It really shook me.

I knew one of the girls.  Eliza.  Still hurts....

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15 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Oh really?

University of Texas tower shooting - Wikipedia

Seriously though, the details of those murders were/are haunting and incredibly sad.  I was a sophomore, so I was only a couple years older than the 2 oldest girls.  It really shook me.

1 August 1966. 
I was there watching it happen while crouched behind a car in a parking lot on 21st close to Littlefield Fountain. 
It most certainly affected Austin more than the Yogurt Shop tragedy. 
The memory of stepping over pools of blood immediately afterward on the sidewalk near the Co-op and on the South Mall still brings back chills.

 

17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

I knew one of the girls.  Eliza.  Still hurts....

Muff Wheeler - shot through her hand while bending over to help her two friends after they were hit fatally by Whitman. 
It took her years to recover her mental state.

3 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

1 August 1966. 
I was there watching it happen while crouched behind a car in a parking lot on 21st close to Littlefield Fountain. 
It most certainly affected Austin more than the Yogurt Shop tragedy. 
The memory of stepping over pools of blood immediately afterward on the sidewalk near the Co-op and on the South Mall still brings back chills.

 

Pops was in the law library being a scared little undergrad who came from a town with a graduating class of a dozen kids, didn't know anyone, and just studied to keep afloat

2 hours ago, DaggerHorns said:

So….i was talking to one of my friends that knows her and knows more about the documentary. Apparently it’s more about the time and effect it had on the Austin community and less about the actual findings/investigation. That sounds completely fucking annoying to me.

you need 4 parts for that?

56 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Like how you can’t find a decent fast-food yogurt in Austin anymore?

Yeah, that does annoy me. It has decent probiotics. 
 

I used to have Yogurtworld close but now my only option is really Menchie’s up north. It’s pretty frustrating.

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