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I'm watching the CBS news coverage, they said they have an advance copy of Sondlands opening statement. Called it a "doozie" and "significantly different" from his closed door deposition testimony

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5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

He’s not going to fall on the sword for Trump. He doesn’t want to go to prison.

That’s what I have to think as well. Rich donors may be willing to help a president but go to prison for them? It’s not like Sondland doesn’t know where some other trump allies have/are ending up.

There’s also a 3rd option for Sondland today: “On the advice of counsel, I’m invoke the 5th amendment”

side note: someone on CNN had a good idea for Schiff. He needs to be creating a filling in a timeline of all of these events.  Helps the people at home. And it’s not like he couldn’t publish it online and point viewers to it.

Haven't found the full statement out yet, but a WaPo article this morning has some notable excerpts. Colludy Rudy is going under the bus 

Sondland: "Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President."

EDIT: here's the opening statement

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Found the statement

Assuming if true, how does Giuliani not find his ass in the impeachment hearing soon? I know refers to himself as trumps personal attorney but I’m fairly certain that client-attorney privilege doesn’t apply when you’re performing zero legal work for your client.  And can friends of the president claim exec privilege? He isn’t part of the exec branch.

The White House is openly attacking an Army officer with a  20-year spotless record, who served and was injured in a war zone, and ultimately shifted his career to working in national security. 
I'm sure we will hear the lame excuses from others on the right that they disagree with the President's actions but that we elected a fighter. Anyone that doesn't actively call out this attack on the military, deserves to get tossed out of their political office.
 

Republicans shit on the military all the time and they (the military and other republicans) love them for it.


I do wonder if trump gets away with this, will organized crime bosses be allowed to be held to the same standard? Assuming they donate to the republicans of course.

CNN has the statement and just read that part.  Very damaging.

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So is Sondland claiming Rudy is really the one behind all of this?  Trying to protect Trump by throwing Rudy under the bus?

7 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

Gordon D. Sondland going to do his republican duty and say the orange dude didn’t do anything 

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Given Trump going to Walter Reed to be sedated, and yesterday, news broke of Pompeo stepping down as SoS for a KS Senate run, I think last Saturday Sondland signaled his intentions for today.

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Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

So is Sondland claiming Rudy is really the one behind all of this?  Trying to protect Trump by throwing Rudy under the bus?

No, his statement makes clear that it wasn't "rogue foreign policy" because it was all at the direction of the president of the United States. Rudy is just a cog in the machine that's at trumps explicit and exclusive direction

7 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

Gordon D. Sondland going to do his republican duty and say the orange dude didn’t do anything whatever his high-paid personal lawyers tell him to do in order to stay out of prison. 

Fixed.  Sondland's lawyers ain't there to protect Trump and the GOP, they are there to protect Sondland.

Lulz, you're up Gym and Moo

 

"I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a ‘quid pro quo?’” Sondland planned to say, according to prepared remarks. “With regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

8 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

As much as I hate everything about Bolton's foreign policy and economic ideals, it is possible that he may not be a traitor and drew a line in the sand.  If so, he is someone who I would buy a beer for in spite of him being entirely wrong about everything else except treason.

Bolton is an ideologue.    If he was canceling meetings and bitching that Mulvaney, Rudy, etc. were cooking up "drug deals", then Bolton was not a Team Trump player.

One thing I've noticed in all of the testimony I've seen, and highlights, with almost all of the witnesses, Rudy and his irregular channel shenanigans are always floating around in the background.

 

4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

So is Sondland claiming Rudy is really the one behind all of this?  Trying to protect Trump by throwing Rudy under the bus?

He's not protecting Trump.

I know a lot of you in Austin may be irritated the Trump is visiting today because of the traffic.  But I love the fact that he is doing a public appearance today after Sondland's testimony.  Maybe we will get a panic attack on live TV.  Maybe he will declare martial law.  But the pressure is certainly there, and I want cameras on the idiot. 

Someone better clear a bed at Walter Reed. 

4 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Sondland is acting like he doesn't have a care in the world.

Yeah he's acting like the first guy in the gang to flip.....fuck it 

God I’m so tired.

Can Republicans do the right thing just this one time and throw our mob boss president out of office?

They can go back to being wrong assholes right after. Just do one right thing.

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Sondland is acting like he doesn't have a care in the world.

Yep.  He's not going to prison, he's worth a shitload, and he isn't going to lose his fortune.  And, plenty of other witnesses have already opened the door for him to have to tell the truth, since he does not want to be nailed for perjury.

He may have Trumpkins and Trump angry at him, tweeting away at him, etc., but with his kind of money, he doesn't have to give a fuck.  And plenty of his buddies will probably pat him on the back and laugh about it.

 

Just now, Bama Chick said:

God I’m so tired.

Can Republicans do the right thing just this one time and throw our mob boss president out of office?

They can go back to being wrong assholes right after. Just do one right thing.

Pipe dream.  There isn't one Republican senator, much less 20, who have the political spine to do anything but suck off Trump. 

Just now, Bama Chick said:

God I’m so tired.

Can Republicans do the right thing just this one time and throw our mob boss president out of office?

They can go back to being wrong assholes right after. Just do one right thing.

Republicans in Congress are acting like they are compromised in some way, they are going to ignore the lifeboats and try to ride this out.

The only way anything changes, is if Mitch sees polls threatening his seat and/or his majority.

How many patterns can Nunes squeeze into one outfit?

Nunez is up.  And he's off to the races, and already said he's not happy Sondland is here, LOL.

Edit: He's about to give a shoutout to Qanon.

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1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Jesus, Nunes is a broken record. What a bore. 

After receiving his Associate of Arts degree from the College of the Sequoias, Nunes graduated from Cal Poly with a bachelor's degree in agricultural business and a master's degree in agriculture.

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

God I’m so tired.

Can Republicans do the right thing just this one time and throw our mob boss president out of office?

They can go back to being wrong assholes right after. Just do one right thing.

No because every GOP politician is afraid of the backlash from the hardcore Trump supporters. It's possible that some GOP senators, not up for re-election and in a red state, could at least acknowledge some concerns about Trump's behavior.

I wouldn't be surprised if more GOP politicians start to give fewer and fewer comments in support of Trump.  They might claim that they have other work to attend to so they can't comment on individual testimony they didn't see or read yet.

1 minute ago, Eastwood said:

How many patterns can Nunes squeeze into one outfit?

3 by my count but I can’t see his socks or chonies.

It's really weird, Nunes is reading a bunch of facts supported by evidence but claiming they're all falsehoods, call them partisan extremist positions. Straight up gaslighting

If Democrats had a Fox News equivalent, they would just play that Nunes list on a loop, without context, as proof of what Trump has done.

Holy shit, Nunes is rattling off all kinds of shit that could lead to the Streisand Effect.

Probably don't want to talk about Russian money flowing through the NRA, Nunes.

Who does Nunes think he is, Tuco's hang man?

 

Nunes is trying to say that Sondland is here to be smeared.

I'm pretty sure the Republicans are the ones smearing witnesses.  And Trump will lead the way.

Nunes apologizes to Sondland for the 'smear' he will get.  Says nothing about the purple heart recipient they smeared yesterday.

This is the dagger witness if justice is to prevail, but that ledge is looking mighty tempting.

Good god, that George Washington analogy was so bad.

Democrats want to impeach George Washington!

 

LOFL> 

HAHA, Nunes trying to claim Trump using Guiliani was just like George Washington using private channels.

Dumbest motherfucker in Congress to bring up something like that.

5 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

3 by my count but I can’t see his socks or chonies.

He's wearing a leopard skin thong. 

1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

This is the dagger witness if justice is to prevail, but that ledge is looking mighty tempting.

Don't worry, Republicans will attack Sondland hard.  Goldman will ask questions he and Sondland know the answer to. Republicans will hint at all kinds of shit about Sondland.

what sort of inner mantra must Schiff recite to maintain such a passive face while Nunes babbles and whines, lol

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