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2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Someone should ask these idiots what happens if you attempt to rob a bank, but get caught in the act.

And today, why no Ukraine investigations into Bidens and 2016 election intereference ?  They just fell off the map when the whistleblower stepped forward.  why might that be?  couldn't be because it was drug bust gone south or anything.

If there was a shred of non-corrupt legitimacy to it, it would still be happening.  Instead the whole bribery scheme died when Trump got caught.

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23 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Ugh, the burden runs the other way bro.  I don't find Sondland's "guess" (as Sondland himself put it) to be all that powerful of evidence of Trump's intent.  

Dude, please come be on one of my juries. In my almost decade of criminal defense, I have never once encountered anyone in a jury pool who thinks that specific intent must be proven by the accused articulating that intent. It's also not what the law, in any jurisdiction, says. 

"Yes, my client broke into the house. Yes he was wearing gloves and a mask. Yes he had a large black bag and burglary tools. But ladies and gentlemen, as you know, the people must show that my client had the specific intent to commit a crime after entering and you have heard no evidence that my client ever told anyone he was breaking into this house with any specific intent to do anything."

Ha ha, 30 more minutes of Schiff and Goldman. 

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Dude, please come be on one of my juries. In my almost decade of criminal defense, I have never once encountered anyone in a jury pool who thinks that specific intent must be proven by the accused articulating that intent. It's also not what the law, in any jurisdiction, says. 

"Yes, my client broke into the house. Yes he was wearing gloves and a mask. Yes he had a large black bag and burglary tools. But ladies and gentlemen, as you know, the people must show that my client had the specific intent to commit a crime after entering and you have heard no evidence that my client ever told anyone he was breaking into this house with any specific intent to do anything."

Good to know we have a criminal defense attorney on staff here.  Just saying.  Could come in handy.

So, within the (GOP written) rules, Schiff can just do a wave-around if he wants?   "Fuck it...I want to grill this motherfucker some more"?

3 minutes ago, Lurch said:

So, uh, we got him?

That would require the true patriots of this country to believe a career military and foreign service professional who was also once wounded in combat and still completed his tour over an orange-tinted draft dodger who was recently found guilty of fraud and has lied daily since elected.  So, no.  We aint got shit.

Just now, Gil Bang said:

So, within the (GOP written) rules, Schiff can just do a wave-around if he wants?   "Fuck it...I want to grill this motherfucker some more"?

So long as the minority party gets equal time, yes. 

So Pompeo wants to resign ASAP.

Totally unrelated to today’s events.


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3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

So, within the (GOP written) rules, Schiff can just do a wave-around if he wants?   "Fuck it...I want to grill this motherfucker some more"?

Per House Rule 660, which is the rule that the impeachment hearing is operating under, the majority can call additional consecutive rounds of counsel questioning in increments up to 45 minutes for both the majority and minority. 

7 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Dude, please come be on one of my juries. In my almost decade of criminal defense, I have never once encountered anyone in a jury pool who thinks that specific intent must be proven by the accused articulating that intent. It's also not what the law, in any jurisdiction, says. 

"Yes, my client broke into the house. Yes he was wearing gloves and a mask. Yes he had a large black bag and burglary tools. But ladies and gentlemen, as you know, the people must show that my client had the specific intent to commit a crime after entering and you have heard no evidence that my client ever told anyone he was breaking into this house with any specific intent to do anything."

Are you really going to make this fatuous comparison?  There are a million acceptable reasons for which Trump could have conditioned the transfer of money for US weapons.  For instance, it would have been perfectly fine for him to condition that benefit on Ukraine assisting us with arming jihadists or for allowing us to torture people within Ukraine.  What acceptable reason would a burgler have for breaking into someone's house other than to steal?

7 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 When i saw that before i thought it was just some Photoshop. Nope, it's real

He wasn't a burglar, he was donating the tools to the homeowners when they caught him in the middle of his random act of kindness.

5 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

So, within the (GOP written) rules, Schiff can just do a wave-around if he wants?   "Fuck it...I want to grill this motherfucker some more"?

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Are you really going to make this fatuous comparison?  There are a million acceptable reasons for which Trump could have conditioned the transfer of money for US weapons.  For instance, it would have been perfectly fine for him to condition that benefit on Ukraine assisting us with arming jihadists or for allowing us to torture people within Ukraine.  What acceptable reason would a burgler have for breaking into someone's house other than to steal?

Yet there is no evidence of any of those alternate reasons.

There is evidence of trump withholding aid in exchange for the mere announcement of an investigation.

So, I mean, other than that, you’re making lots of sense.

Respectfully Fozzz, your raison d'etre in this forum is an exercise of fatuity.

4 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Are you really going to make this fatuous comparison?  There are a million acceptable reasons for which Trump could have conditioned the transfer of money for US weapons.  For instance, it would have been perfectly fine for him to condition that benefit on Ukraine assisting us with arming jihadists or for allowing us to torture people within Ukraine.  What acceptable reason would a burgler have for breaking into someone's house other than to steal?

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Just now, Brisketexan said:


Yet there is no evidence of any of those alternate reasons.

There is evidence of trump withholding aid in exchange for the mere announcement of an investigation.

So, I mean, other than that, you’re making lots of sense.

It's not on him to produce that evidence when the "bombshell" testimony amounted to the witnesses "guess" as to what Trump was intending to do.

1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Are you really going to make this fatuous comparison?  There are a million acceptable reasons for which Trump could have conditioned the transfer of money for US weapons.

What in the fuck are you comparing this to? The aid was appropriated by congress - meaning it was voted on and passed by both the House and the Senate, then signed into law by trump himself - and therefore it is not the decision of the executive wether or not it should be disbursed. Congress alone controls the power of the purse. Once the money was on the budget for that purpose, it had to be spent on that purpose or otherwise accounted for.

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

Just now, Captainant said:

What in the fuck are you comparing this to? The aid was appropriated by congress - meaning it was voted on and passed by both the House and the Senate, then signed into law by trump himself - and therefore it is not the decision of the executive wether or not it should be disbursed. Congress alone controls the power of the purse. Once the money was on the budget for that purpose, it had to be spent on that purpose or otherwise accounted for.

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

lmao you think it actually works that way in practice? with any administration? Good lord rube.

"Write this down for the President to repeat and write it in CHILD FONT."

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Man I would hate to be prosecuted by Goldman.  Guy is sharp.

Just now, Fozzz said:

lmao you think it actually works that way in practice? with any administration? Good lord rube.

I'm literally citing you the fucking constitution. And your response is "nuh uh"! That is how it works. That's the literal law of the land. 

1 hour ago, SameSame said:

Llistening in on the local right wing radio during these hearings, lots of squirming and twisting.

Callers literally yelling and multiples saying they are going to take up arms against the Dems and take the Govt. over.

And the hosts just pushing these nutjobs and fanning the flames. Completely irresponsible behavior.

The Trumpist right needs to start fearing what will happen to them and theirs if they insist on subverting American democracy and suppressing the will of the vast majority of Americans.

Go ahead, mountain men, cowboys and Chuck Fuckin' Woolery.  Take up your arms and storm the castle.  We'll be happy to pry them from your cold, dead fingers.

6 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Are you really going to make this fatuous comparison?  There are a million acceptable reasons for which Trump could have conditioned the transfer of money for US weapons.  For instance, it would have been perfectly fine for him to condition that benefit on Ukraine assisting us with arming jihadists or for allowing us to torture people within Ukraine.  What acceptable reason would a burgler have for breaking into someone's house other than to steal?

You making an assumption with calling him a burglar. You don’t know the motivations of the person that comes into your house.

if someone is trying to burgle you, but gets caught and then says he broke in to leave presents under the tree, then we are supposed to believe him because he didn’t say he was trying to steal from you. 
That’s just the law.

Or at least according to the GOP

4 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

It's not on him to produce that evidence when the "bombshell" testimony amounted to the witnesses "guess" as to what Trump was intending to do.

But I'd like to ask a favor.  Read the transcript.

7 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

 When i saw that before i thought it was just some Photoshop. Nope, it's real

Holy shit.  I just assumed it was a shop.  He needed simpleton notes to keep him from saying the wrong thing?  How, on god’s green earth, did this man get voted into the top post in the nation?  It continues to boggle the mind.  

Just now, Sbbruin said:

Holy shit.  I just assumed it was a shop.  He needed simpleton notes to keep him from saying the wrong thing?  How, on god’s green earth, did this man get voted into the top post in the nation?  It continues to boggle the mind.  

Emails.

maybe the biggest day with the greatest implications for this trainwreck of a presidency and we're focused on a troll. can we maintain focusness here?

more twitter commentary during the break would be nice...

6 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lmao you think it actually works that way in practice? with any administration? Good lord rube.

It is illegal for it to be conditioned once approved.  But conditioned for personal political gain is double secret illegal.

3 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Holy shit.  I just assumed it was a shop.  He needed simpleton notes to keep him from saying the wrong thing?  How, on god’s green earth, did this man get voted into the top post in the nation?  It continues to boggle the mind.  

Fear of black/brown people, and hatred of women who don’t keep their mouth shut.  

Rudy testifying would be awesome. 

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I'm literally citing you the fucking constitution. And your response is "nuh uh"! That is how it works. That's the literal law of the land. 

Do you know which administration passed and signed into law the act which authorized the funding of lethal aid to Ukraine?  It was the same administration that refused to fully implement its provisions.

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Rudy testifying would be awesome. 

That will be the final chapter. Rudy will release the flutes soon. 

Sondland has serious memory issues...must be suffering from situational amnesia

Will y’all stop engaging with the troll?

He doesn’t actually believe what he’s spewing, he’s just fucking with everyone and trying to derail the discussion.

I mean, damn.

39 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Check out Trump's notes, definitely the sign of a business genius.

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i don't think he can fit a tweet onto a page

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Sondland has serious memory issues...must be suffering from situational amnesia

Yeah, this is getting a bit incredible.  

 

is he "not able to remember" stuff to bolster credibility on having to walk back a bunch of shit he said before he knew the jig was up? 

Nice.

Back at the West Wing taking selfies with his twin brother is a big “fuck you” to Trump and his sycophants.


4 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Do you know which administration passed and signed into law the act which authorized the funding of lethal aid to Ukraine?  It was the same administration that refused to fully implement its provisions.

That would be the trump admin via the 2018 budget and DoD appropriations bills. The $390MM of aid was appropriated in 2018 and signed into law by trump. There was no reason to deny or delay the aid, as all the anticorruption requirements in the law had been certified by the State Dept.

Devin Nunes just said "obstruction" with a straight face.  Holy balls, Batman.

Republicans not having enough questions to fill the time, but framing it as a "courtesy" to the witness is the funniest running gag of these hearings.

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