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Just now, cactusflinthead said:

Yeah,  I'm interested in where you got this from. 

zerohedge.

Paste up your two best paragraphs then. Give us the gist of their spin. Anyone else talking about this or just them?

 

The house leadership is in AUSTIN right now commenting on impeachment hearings.  And we all have lives to lead; I get it.  But not one fucking surly poster bothered to head Downtown today to see how they could het engaged?   Not one?

got this from them as well:

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I don't know whether that change will be significant or not.  I was wanting Brisket, and the other purist ledger dwellers to consider it, or not.    

12 minutes ago, Lobo said:

The house leadership is in AUSTIN right now commenting on impeachment hearings.  And we all have lives to lead; I get it.  But not one fucking surly poster bothered to head Downtown today to see how they could het engaged?   Not one?

If some intrepid soul sat through and took some notes, like say a reporter or even a half-assed blogger, I'll give'm a click. It's so early in the process the only real question is, " Are you in?" 

I mean that's why I pay a subscription at various places. So I don't have to attend shit like that. 

Meetings are beatings, this is known. 

Just did a quick review but didn't see any changes to any rules on the impeachment process.


Sure, but the assertion you are denying came from zerohedge, which is the gold standard in credibility.
10 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Paste up your two best paragraphs then. Give us the gist of their spin. Anyone else talking about this or just them?

 

Yeah it's making the rounds, along with Liddle' Adam Schiff changing Donald's words in the transcript. 

I hear that a lot of people are saying that right wing morons are so gullible that they will believe almost anything they read on the internet. What’s y’all opinion on what those people are saying? 

11 hours ago, Bookman said:

Just did a quick review but didn't see any changes to any rules on the impeachment process.

Not to worry. Zork will be along soon to finally point out the change Nancy unilaterally imposed. 

16 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

 

The right is not getting better at comedy, and it’s making lefties feel more emboldened.

It really is painful how bad they are at it. 

On 9/28/2019 at 12:04 AM, Bama Chick said:

Okay lawyer people and constitutional scholars-

We all know it takes a 2/3 vote in the senate to remove but does the below red circled portion mean a simple majority vote can be used to block Trump from running for re-election?

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Unfortunately, no.  AFTER voting to convict and removing him from office, the Senate may vote that the removed officer may never hold office again, by simple majority.  Disqualification is an incident of conviction, or may be.

Not sure where the authority for that comes from though. EDIT:  right there in Art I, s. 3, para. 7.  As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened with any of the modern impeachments.  See, e.g. Alcee Hastings, impeached federal judge and Florida Congressman.

What is that page image from?  It looks like a law casebook from the Carolina Academic Press or whoever they are now.

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How’s this shit working out for y’all?  Is the happening bunker in the future?

Unfortunately, no.  AFTER voting to convict and removing him from office, the Senate may vote that the removed officer may never hold office again, by simple majority.  Disqualification is an incident of conviction, or may be.
Not sure where the authority for that comes from though. EDIT:  right there in Art I, s. 3, para. 7.  As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened with any of the modern impeachments.  See, e.g. Alcee Hastings, impeached federal judge and Florida Congressman.
What is that page image from?  It looks like a law casebook from the Carolina Academic Press or whoever they are now.


Thanks!

Not sure what source the screenshot cites - I saw it posted on Twitter and of course and wanted some better informed opinions than my own.

Whoever wrote it up should include your explanation because they left out the important part in the circled passage.
How’s this shit working out for y’all?  Is the happening bunker in the future?


What?


What?

Typo. He meant to ask about the “What’s Happening Bunker,” where things aren’t so great, because Rerun already ate all of our Jim Bakker potato soup buckets.
45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Typo. He meant to ask about the “What’s Happening Bunker,” where things aren’t so great, because Rerun already ate all of our Jim Bakker potato soup buckets.

Rhett & Link said the black bean burger was pretty good

The boot lickers who are still clinging to the SS Trump need to get their mental affairs in order.  It’s going to be a rough few months fellas, might as well go ahead and start to face facts. 

How’s this shit working out for y’all?  Is the happening bunker in the future?
Is this the inspiration for your take, this shitty intersection at Fondren & Main?9ac7350078736b46e613355bd4e9945a.jpg
52 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

The boot lickers who are still clinging to the SS Trump need to get their mental affairs in order.  It’s going to be a rough few months fellas, might as well go ahead and start to face facts. 

Nah, they'll just change Screen Names, albeit with mixtyemotions.

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27 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Is this the inspiration for your take, this shitty intersection at Fondren & Main?9ac7350078736b46e613355bd4e9945a.jpg

You are soooo white.

14 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Not to worry. Zork will be along soon to finally point out the change Nancy unilaterally imposed. 

It's pretty amazing how many are prone to believe disinformation.

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I think the Senate doing a very pro forma "let's just get this over with an acquit" deal without hearing the evidence or at least appearing to consider the matter in a deliberate fashion would be a huge political mistake.

I think the Senate doing a very pro forma "let's just get this over with an acquit" deal without hearing the evidence or at least appearing to consider the matter in a deliberate fashion would be a huge political mistake.

Cant wait to watch the Republican senators squirm as they decide if they’re gonna sell their soul for Trump or not and publicly vote to not impeach the asshole
1 hour ago, sachick said:


Cant wait to watch the Republican senators squirm as they decide if they’re gonna sell their soul for Trump or not and publicly vote to not impeach the asshole

They won't squirm. 

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think the Senate doing a very pro forma "let's just get this over with an acquit" deal without hearing the evidence or at least appearing to consider the matter in a deliberate fashion would be a huge political mistake.

Yep, it would piss off a lot of already pissed-off people.  That helps drive up the wrong kind of voter turnout for the Rs.

It could even flip the Senate, or put the Senate on the road to being flipped in 2022.  The anger is there.

 

As everyone tries to play pundit on this, and I can’t stress this enough, no one knows where this thing is headed.  

This is completely uncharted water and Republicans are not lining up right now to defend Trump. Probably because what he did is indefensible.

We’re seeing rapid shift in public opinion on impeachment which previously was thought to be unmovable.   

As everyone tries to play pundit on this, and I can’t stress this enough, no one knows where this thing is headed.  
This is completely uncharted water and Republicans are not lining up right now to defend Trump. Probably because what he did is indefensible.
We’re seeing rapid shift in public opinion on impeachment which previously was thought to be unmovable.   

You must not be listening to any republicans. I’ve heard several, all repeating the talking points in lockstep. They are all-in.
3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


You must not be listening to any republicans. I’ve heard several, all repeating the talking points in lockstep. They are all-in.

There are a few but not many.  Jordan, Graham, Cornyn, Mccarthy. 

There are a dozen or so Republican Senators that don’t even acknowledge reading the whistleblower report. 

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There are a dozen or so Republican Senators that don’t even acknowledge reading the whistleblower report. 

Not sure why this is a good thing.

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Not sure why this is a good thing.

It’s not a good thing but it means they’re in a holding pattern instead of going on offense like they usually do.  Their current strategy isn’t holding up.

I will acknowledge it’s easier to say Trump will skate and nothing matters because it’s always like this.  However, part of the reason nothing happens is because that thinking has become so normalized.  

Nothing matters until people decide to make it matter.

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I think they really haven't read the source documents.   If they had, McCarthy wouldn't have shat himself on 60 minutes last night.  They are going on the WH talking points alone. 

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

I think they really haven't read the source documents.   If they had, McCarthy wouldn't have shat himself on 60 minutes last night.  They are going on the WH talking points alone. 

There's also the story that Fox News broke about Giuliani acting privately with a couple of others - as Wallace said to Miller, with all of the agencies Trump has at his disposal, why did he go with private individuals?

There's plenty of Republicans who are sick and tired of carrying Trump's water in Congress.  Every moment spent talking defending Trump is a moment that is helping their opponents, and it's a moment that they'd rather spend talking about themselves.

I don't see how anyone can watch that McCarthy interview and think these are serious people.  What the deuce was he carrying on about voting to send our men and women off to war?  It was like Walter Sobchack making everything about 'Nam.

I was glad to see Pelley wasn't having any of it and gave him just enough rope to hang himself.

2 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I don't see how anyone can watch that McCarthy interview and think these are serious people.  What the deuce was he carrying on about voting to send our men and women off to war?  It was like Walter Sobchack making everything about 'Nam.

I was glad to see Pelley wasn't having any of it and gave him just enough rope to hang himself.

It was like a parody when he got all fake serious about the decision to send Americans off to war, as if that had any relevance. 

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

On the face of it, it sounds like Mitch is serving an invitation to the House to impeach; that they will cooperate with the impeachment process if the House so desires.  However, Mitch may have just tipped his hand with the "How long we're on it is a whole different matter" remark.  If Trump is going to be formally impeached (he is), best case scenario -today- for GOP is for it happen as soon as possible.  Mitch will then weigh if they can acquit and still survive.  Chances of survival include minimizing time spent having the case prosecuted before them (and the world) and maximizing the time afterwards for people to forget/move on until the election.

If Dems take this 'invitation' as an incentive to move to impeachment faster by keeping it focused and narrow, they run the risk of not letting all the evidence coalesce around the magnitude of Trump's offenses, and increasing odds for Mitch  of survival if they go nuclear and basically trap door it in short order after taking it up.

If I were Dems, I'd use use this narrow issue of the whistleblower report and closely related matters to maintain public focus and to deepen support for impeachment, and let  public understanding marinate in that narrow focus.  It will allow more time needed to root out the wider corners of Trump abuse and criminality. 

The longer it takes formal articles to be presented, the more restricted Mitch's options become.  Dems can't wait too long, obviously, but the sweet spot for time needed to let the courts do their thing, gather evidence, and prosecute is probably a window between February to April 2020.  imo.

19 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I don't see how anyone can watch that McCarthy interview and think these are serious people.  What the deuce was he carrying on about voting to send our men and women off to war?  It was like Walter Sobchack making everything about 'Nam.

I was glad to see Pelley wasn't having any of it and gave him just enough rope to hang himself.

But he didn't.  He should have sandbagged--"Oh, did I misstate?"  "Well, would the inclusion of the word 'though' change your position?"  "Why so?  What is the significance of the word 'though'?"

2 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

On the face of it, it sounds like Mitch is serving an invitation to the House to impeach; that they will cooperate with the impeachment process if the House so desires.  However, Mitch may have just tipped his hand with the "How long we're on it is a whole different matter" remark.  If Trump is going to be formally impeached (he is), best case scenario -today- for GOP is for it happen as soon as possible.  Mitch will then weigh if they can acquit and still survive.  Chances of survival include minimizing time spent having the case prosecuted before them (and the world) and maximizing the time afterwards for people to forget/move on until the election.

If Dems take this 'invitation' as an incentive to move to impeachment faster by keeping it focused and narrow, they run the risk of not letting all the evidence coalesce around the magnitude of Trump's offenses, and increasing odds for Mitch  of survival if they go nuclear and basically trap door it in short order after taking it up.

If I were Dems, I'd use use this narrow issue of the whistleblower report and closely related matters to maintain public focus and to deepen support for impeachment, and let  public understanding marinate in that narrow focus.  It will allow more time needed to root out the wider corners of Trump abuse and criminality. 

The longer it takes formal articles to be presented, the more restricted Mitch's options become.  Dems can't wait too long, obviously, but the sweet spot for time needed to let the courts do their thing, gather evidence, and prosecute is probably a window between February to April 2020.  imo.

they won't move fast on this.  they will publicly flog Trump as long as possible because they know that as soon as they say 'guilty' it is out of their hands and the senate gets to work at making it disappear.

34 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There are a few but not many.  Jordan, Graham, Cornyn, Mccarthy. 

There are a dozen or so Republican Senators that don’t even acknowledge reading the whistleblower report. 

Thank god we can rely on these dozen or so stalwarts to defend the integrity of our Democracy when they actually get around to reading the report or the summary of the conversation..

2 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Mitch will then weigh if they can acquit and still survive.  Chances of survival include minimizing time spent having the case prosecuted before them (and the world) and maximizing the time afterwards for people to forget/move on until the election.

I actually have a procedural question about this -- once the Senate submits to a trial, I think Mitch loses a fair bit of control.  Chief Justice Roberts would preside over the trial.  Now, there are some things that the membership can demand that they vote on -- e.g., after Roberts rules on a question of evidence, they could demand a vote on it, and could overrule him.  But, putting themselves in a position to overrule the CJ of the SCOTUS on questions of evidence and law is some treacherous ground that I don't think they'll be too eager to tread upon.

I'm sure there's more to it, but at least in a case of trial of the president, the Majority Leader does surrender some power.

36 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I don't see how anyone can watch that McCarthy interview and think these are serious people.  What the deuce was he carrying on about voting to send our men and women off to war?  It was like Walter Sobchack making everything about 'Nam.

I was glad to see Pelley wasn't having any of it and gave him just enough rope to hang himself.

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50 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I think they really haven't read the source documents.   If they had, McCarthy wouldn't have shat himself on 60 minutes last night.  They are going on the WH talking points alone. 

Of course they haven't. plausible deniability

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Considering we have Rudy's own statements he wasn't acting as the President's lawyer, I can't wait to see him try and claim attorney-client privilege. 

There is hardly a better person for whom to assert inherent contempt on the spot than Giuliani.  Dems should arrive prepared to do it.

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