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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Bad analogy.

I fully support exclusion of all evidence obtained by illegal searches and seizures and so should you.

It may seem a technicality, but in this day and age, the government of the US is conducting more and more illegal searches in more and more outrageous ways.  The Fourth Amendment has never been more important.

Agree with all of that.  Illegal search and seizure should be illegal.  And a perjury trap is prosecutorial misconduct.

The analogy is that in both cases, you're defending someone who is definitely guilty.

None of Trump's supporters can say he didn't do anything wrong.  They just don't like that he was caught, or how he was caught.  They have nothing else to grasp at.

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collins just now - the facts are all that you have. 

yep. 

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

collins just now - the facts are all that you have. 

yep. 

epic

22 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Agree with all of that.  Illegal search and seizure should be illegal.  And a perjury trap is prosecutorial misconduct.

The analogy is that in both cases, you're defending someone who is definitely guilty.

None of Trump's supporters can say he didn't do anything wrong.  They just don't like that he was caught, or how he was caught.  They have nothing else to grasp at.

This "perjury trap" is not misconduct, and I'm not sure any of them really are.  Although they can be a bit stinky.  I agree, don't fucking lie to the government, pretty simple.

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18 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

collins just now - the facts are all that you have. 

sounds like something Slorch would post 

1 minute ago, Jack Straw said:

sounds like something Slorch would post 

EMAW imo.

Ratcliffe wants everyone to know that he didn't say it's okay for a president to solicit foreign government interference, just foreign government involvement.

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 I agree, don't fucking lie to the government.  

Although I hold degrees from other institutions, I believe one of the wonderful sayings inscribed upon a building located at UT’s lovely campus is:

”Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.”

The truth is hard but the truth is power. 

 

Reminder that Ratcliffe was almost Director of National Intelligence.

I feel like they are just going back and forth and saying the same shit over and over. Vote already! 

8 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

I feel like they are just going back and forth and saying the same shit over and over. Vote already! 

This is far from over.  Reps are going to keep adding amendments until they get tired or Nadler shuts it down.  Nadler isn’t shutting it down because the GOP would protest. 

This is far from over.  Reps are going to keep adding amendments until they get tired or Nadler shuts it down.  Nadler isn’t shutting it down because the GOP would protest. 

Will they take a break for the night? Or just keep going and going and going. Republicans hoping they can outlast Democrats.
2 hours ago, RPM said:

Louie Gohmert says hold my beer.

It's impossible to pick which Tea Party dumbfuck is a bigger loon than the next. 

5 minutes ago, sachick said:


Will they take a break for the night? Or just keep going and going and going. Republicans hoping they can outlast Democrats.

It’s up to Nadler.  He can pause and resume in the morning. 

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Reminder that Ratcliffe was almost Director of National Intelligence.

Another example of Trump's 'Who represents the exact opposite of the institution's mission?' approach to staffing.

7 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Lulz.  Listening to the call-ins on C-Span.  I swear I just heard Anastasis call in talking about the IG report and the government spying on us.

C-Span call lines give you a particularly crystal clear view on the divide in country.  I'll give you a pass on trying to lump me in with that shit, because I like you as a poster. But for real. If you are not watching every hearing through C-Span you are missing out during the breaks.  

Just heard on C-Span "He got it big enough to put in a dump truck and they don't like that". 

Come on.  Are you not entertained. 

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C-Span call lines give you a particularly crystal clear view on the divide in country.  I'll give you a pass on trying to lump me in with that shit, because I like you as a poster. But for real. If you are not watching every hearing through C-Span you are missing out during the breaks.  

So it was you!
5 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So it was you!

Would be better if you posted the clip. 

I wish I had it.

Nevermind. Fuck that clip. More of the bottle blonde behind Sensenbrenner. 

Just now, DDD Dad said:

I wish I had it.

You can snip it from the C-Span website if you have a good sense of when the break came during the testimony. The C-Span site is great. 

It was during the break before they started back up this afternoon. So maybe between 12:45 and 1:45 Central time.

Might see if I can find it tomorrow.

58 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

 

ah yes, the canadien lawyer who thought a 12b6 motion was premature.

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Reminder that Ratcliffe was almost Director of National Intelligence.

Also that he was a US Attorney (interim) for those who are impressed with that kind of thing (you should not be, for this and multitudes of other reasons).

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1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

C-Span call lines give you a particularly crystal clear view on the divide in country.  I'll give you a pass on trying to lump me in with that shit, because I like you as a poster. But for real. If you are not watching every hearing through C-Span you are missing out during the breaks.  

Well, except for the fact that Republican bootlickers routinely call in to the Democrat line.

But OK.

Agreed, nice job by Swalwell.  He is very good at firing bullet points that cannot be refuted.

Hahahahaha nailed it, Jaimie!

I kept waiting for him to say “turkey baster! Turkey baster! Turkey baster!”
14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Agreed, nice job by Swalwell.  He is very good at firing bullet points that cannot be refuted.

He is really good at stating facts and driving home the point that the Trumpists are pathological liars, but to borrow from Brisket it means nothing.

The people defending our democracy have the truth on their side. The traiterous cretins who are hell-bent on enriching themselves monetarily, while at the same time destroying what little shred of decency America has left, have the Senate on their side. 

What a wonderful country we live in. 

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

Swalwell bringing home the Trump Putin dyad

 

Even if you aren't keeping a body count, nailed it.

Just now, JohnnyRage said:

Why did they recess again?

Reverse happy hour.

Collins having a temper tantrum and is stuck on the words ‘bush league.’ 

Today Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore ravens beat the New York jets. And that’s a fact.

If Fox News was in charge of NFL football media they would say the jets actually won. Which would of course be a lie. 

Trump has violated his oath toward the constitution and that is a fact.

Fox news and our resident trolls will argue that he did not and it’s all a deep state conspiracy. That’s a lie. 

There is nothing more destructive than lies. 

There is nothing more destructive than lies. 

There is nothing more destructive than lies. 

 

Collins whining that the Democrats have the schedule set to resume so they can go on tv in the morning is absolutely hilarious when his lil posse is surrounding him just as they have done so at each and every conclusion of meetings to get their talking points in front of the cameras. 

Who spent a whole lot of wasted minutes for the last round of testimony (during the inquiry) talking about ‘viewers’ watching?

That’s so bush league. 

Well, there it is.

Fuck the coequal branches of government.

Fuck checks and balances.

Fuck the constitution.

I swear to god the next moron - EMAW, slorch, zork, chrispy, etc. - that even tries to spout that the GOP hasn’t been completely co-opted by Trump needs to be shot into the sun.


9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Well, there it is.

Fuck the coequal branches of government.

Fuck checks and balances.

Fuck the constitution.

I swear to god the next moron - EMAW, slorch, zork, chrispy, etc. - that even tries to spout that the GOP hasn’t been completely co-opted by Trump needs to be shot into the sun.

 

So the President will be in charge of his own impeachment hearing in the Senate because Mitch McConnell has as much backbone as a jellyfish.  Awesome.

These guys are wiping their asses with the Constitution and half the country is cheering them on.

Just now, TexArcher said:

So the President will be in charge of his own impeachment hearing in the Senate because Mitch McConnell has as much backbone as a jellyfish.  Awesome.

These guys are wiping their asses with the Constitution and half the country is cheering them on.

Unfortunately, the Constitution allows the Senate to handle the trial in any way it sees fit.

 

This is new ground ... the first time that the same party has controlled the White House and the Senate during an impeachment trial.

 

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