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  • Brisketexan
    Brisketexan

    Some people and posts above see this for the incredibly dangerous thing it is.  See the whole forest, not just the tree.  Roe is built on the bedrock of the 14th amendment and the inherent right to pr

  • Ghost of LL
    Ghost of LL

    The whole episode is pretty bad for the Court.  The leak is embarrassing.  But the decision is catastrophic. You've got a 5-4 decision to get rid of a something that has been settled as a constit

  • in one of the many instances in which i debunked your oversimplified, unsupported bullshit and you simply never responded, i addressed your absolutist contention that religious are more charitable tha

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Ultimately, however, I think that it doesn't matter one way or the other. If he wins the presidency after everything we know about him and his actions on Jan. 6 and beyond, the constitution is meaningless anyways, and we don't deserve to be a civil society anymore, and the United States will implode like Rome or the French Empire. 

This is where I'm at

Also, it's wild that Dems have held the WH for 12 of the last 16 years and the court is 6-3. Just SMDH.

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Ultimately, however, I don't think it really matters one way or the other. Citizens of this country should be loathe to elect an insurrectionist. If he wins the presidency after everything we know about him and his actions on Jan. 6 and beyond, the constitution is meaningless anyways, and we don't deserve to be a civil society anymore. The United States will implode like Rome or the French Empire. 

This is what it ultimately comes down to.

If we actually choose to elect Trump at POTUS, after all that he's done, we just chose suicide.  Consciously and knowingly.  It's hard to argue that, among the things the Republic can choose to do, "blow itself up completely" isn't one of those things.

Dumbest.  Timeline.  Ever.

One the one hand, keeping Trump on the ballot could motivate those Dems and Independents to vote for Biden to keep that fucker away from the White House.

On the other hand, be careful what you wish for.

Gorsuch (I think): the constitution is full of holes and how do we even deal with that?


Alito: judging is hard I’d rather just be an ideologue.

1 minute ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Also, it's wild that Dems have held the WH for 12 of the last 16 years and the court is 6-3. Just SMDH.

I've lost track of the number of justices that were appointed by presidents that lost the popular vote. Four?

Just now, South Austin said:

One the one hand, keeping Trump on the ballot could motivate those Dems and Independents to vote for Biden to keep that fucker away from the White House.

On the other hand, be careful what you wish for.

He'll remain on the ballot in every state that could possibly go red.  That's the funny thing -- in terms of "deciding the election," this is all a phony war.  It may affect the total national popular vote, but it won't affect the only thing that matters -- the EC vote totals -- at all.  Hell, if Trump is off the ballot in 10 blue states, then he'll really get his ass kicked in national popular vote numbers, but he could still be elected POTUS because he wins the necessary swing states in addition to his red state base.

8 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Alito better cool it now.

Watch out!  You're gonna lose control.

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I love hearing some of these justices arguing that states don't have the authority to determine who committed an insurrection per section 3, and at the same time arguing/bitching why it's their job to determine if section 3 applies? 

 

I fully expect a ruling that there is qualified immunity for sedition - so long as the people you were committing sedition against were making furtive movements. 

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Me catching up on this thread this morning and reading all the fancy legal jargon:

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Lawyers really are the biggest nerds

Just now, Red Five said:

I've lost track of the number of justices that were appointed by presidents that lost the popular vote. Four?

kavanaugh, ACB, Gorsuch

SCOTUS does raise a good point about how stupid it is that 50 states could apply things differently. 

Yeah, our system is dumb

Just now, Gatorubet said:

I fully expect a ruling that there is qualified immunity for sedition - so long as the people you were committing sedition against were making furtive movements. 

Actually, that could work.  See, the sedition was really against the Democrats.  And Democrats got the majority of the black vote.  Which makes the Dems functionally black.  And black people are scary, and how was Trump to know that was just a cell phone in their hands and not a gun!  

That works.  It would sure as shit work in the Fifth Circuit.

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

kavanaugh, ACB, Gorsuch

Roberts (appointed during W's first term).

Oops.  Strike that.  I got my years wrong.  He was nominated in 2005.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

See, the sedition was really against the Democrats.  And Democrats got the majority of the black vote.  Which makes the Dems functionally black.  And black people are scary, and how was Trump to know that was just a cell phone in their hands and not a gun!  

Okay, did somebody already leak the Clarence Thomas opinion?

8 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Also, it's wild that Dems have held the WH for 12 of the last 16 years and the court is 6-3. Just SMDH.

Republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1988, yet have appointed 7 of the 12 Justices since then.  Maddening. 

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Actually, that could work.  See, the sedition was really against the Democrats.  And Democrats got the majority of the black vote.  Which makes the Dems functionally black.  And black people are scary, and how was Trump to know that was just a cell phone in their hands and not a gun!  

That works.  It would sure as shit work in the Fifth Circuit.

You don't even have to get that creative with it. 

Trump had to do it to keep that uppity nigress from being second in line for the presidency.  

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Actually, that could work.  See, the sedition was really against the Democrats.  And Democrats got the majority of the black vote.  Which makes the Dems functionally black.  And black people are scary, and how was Trump to know that was just a cell phone in their hands and not a gun!  

That works.  It would sure as shit work in the Fifth Circuit.

In 1868, black people could no longer be enslaved, but were still inferior under the law, therefore, members of today's Democratic party are all disqualified.

Just now, DDD Dad said:

Roberts (appointed during W's first term).

Incorrect. September 2005. 

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He'll remain on the ballot in every state that could possibly go red.  That's the funny thing -- in terms of "deciding the election," this is all a phony war.  It may affect the total national popular vote, but it won't affect the only thing that matters -- the EC vote totals -- at all.  Hell, if Trump is off the ballot in 10 blue states, then he'll really get his ass kicked in national popular vote numbers, but he could still be elected POTUS because he wins the necessary swing states in addition to his red state base.

“We could end up with just a few or even one state deciding the presidency”

 

and that’s different from what we have how?

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 That works.  It would sure as shit work in the Fifth Circuit.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Incorrect. September 2005. 

Yep.  I read September as January.  Ban user, etc.

Gorsuch: Maybe the meaning of officer is different today than in old times

Kill me

 

Yep.  I read September as January.  Ban user, etc.

I too thought he was appointed during his first term. Mandela Effect imo.
2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I read September as January.

Eh, we need something to uplift this depressing thread.

 

Im impressed by the breadth of knowledge of this counselor making his case, and his ability to think on his feet.

But it feels like he's getting skullfucked here by Alito and company. 

Just now, South Austin said:

Eh, we need something to uplift this depressing thread.

 

Meh.  The members of Earth Wind and Fire are black.  This originalist SCOTUS thus would only allow you to listen to 3/5 of that song.

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

This originalist SCOTUS thus would only allow you to listen to 3/5 of that song.

In all fairness, that's usually the point of the song when I hit the wedding bar for a refill.  I guess I'm an originalist at heart.

I love how they also mention "why not let the people decide" when it comes to Republicans breaking laws. 

Let's not enforce laws, let's have a vote on it

27 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Unlike Judge Judy and the TV judges, a good judge with the proper judicial demeanor will not be rude or snarky to someone delivering an appellate argument.  You might get skewered a bit in the actual decision and the logic of your argument or your ability to correctly understand case precedent might be indirectly questioned -  but I do not expect disrespect or Snark from SCOTUS in an oral argument. 
Also, don’t read too much into the justices’ demeanor in asking questions. They often ask questions to drill down on a certain point.  What seems to be a friendly judge talking with counsel is often that Justice narrowing a point and getting admissions, so that Justice can later do a kill-shot on that point.  

Very much all of this. If you’re new to listening to these things it’s very easy to entirely misread a judge. Comments like “assume I agree with you on that point” do NOT mean they agree. Typically, that means “if I ultimately agree with that point, then I know what comes next so I don’t need to hear more about that from you” or “I already have my decision on that, but I want to hear what you think comes after.”

But they aren’t going to disqualify him. The concern that other states will then say Biden is ineligible for X reason and remove him from the ballot is legitimate. The point about states doing it days before an election are very real and dangerous. Do you then postpone voting until it plays out in court? Potentially for years? What happens if they go ahead with the vote and that candidate isn’t on the ballot and presumably loses because a bunch of people don’t know how to write in a candidate? They’re going to find the most legitimate reason they can to punt this to Congress or a criminal trial before they can properly review applicability of the constitutional provision. It could be unanimous to shut it down forever, and that’s probably for the best since the no votes are going to win anyway. Don’t need a dissenting opinion that can provide any fuel for some R state to base a claim on. 

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

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Lol

Ah, so this Supreme Court oral argument is really just a Fox News roundtable.

1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:

Typically, that means “if I ultimately agree with that point, then I know what comes next so I don’t need to hear more about that from you

I need to use this at work then. 

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

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Lol

I heard him laying out that roadmap for Jonathan Mitchell and Jane Nelson. 

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He'll remain on the ballot in every state that could possibly go red.  That's the funny thing -- in terms of "deciding the election," this is all a phony war.  It may affect the total national popular vote, but it won't affect the only thing that matters -- the EC vote totals -- at all.  Hell, if Trump is off the ballot in 10 blue states, then he'll really get his ass kicked in national popular vote numbers, but he could still be elected POTUS because he wins the necessary swing states in addition to his red state base.

Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada all have Democratic Secretaries of State. All are "swing states' where he could be kicked off the ballot.

Good answer by Murray on why President wasn't listed.

 

seems the natural reading of "Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States" is what KBJ is saying.  a state can't put a piece of shit up as its representation in the government.  those are fundamentally different positions than the president that represents everyone that every state only has a partial say in.

 

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

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Lol

It’s a legitimate question. That will be argued by several states if SCOTUS rules Trump ineligible, and it would make it to SCOTUS. 

Listening to Thomas ask questions is making me dumber

Just now, Red Five said:

How do you lawyers not end every day with a migraine. 

Ummmm.....we don't.  It's why self-medication is so common in our profession.

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11 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

 

It’s a legitimate question. That will be argued by several states if SCOTUS rules Trump ineligible, and it would make it to SCOTUS. 


radical right wing SC telling blue states how to go after Biden

 

30 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1988, yet have appointed 7 of the 12 Justices since then.  Maddening. 

Suspicious imo

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7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

How do you lawyers not end every day with a migraine. 

cocaine GIF

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Unlike Judge Judy and the TV judges, a good judge with the proper judicial demeanor will not be rude or snarky to someone delivering an appellate argument.  You might get skewered a bit in the actual decision and the logic of your argument or your ability to correctly understand case precedent might be indirectly questioned -  but I do not expect disrespect or Snark from SCOTUS in an oral argument. 
Also, don’t read too much into the justices’ demeanor in asking questions. They often ask questions to drill down on a certain point.  What seems to be a friendly judge talking with counsel is often that Justice narrowing a point and getting admissions, so that Justice can later do a kill-shot on that point.  

Alito is often an unprofessional little pissbaby when questioning the SG. Gorsuch is often a dick too. The rest are pretty professional. 
 

ACB’s questions in the more politically charged cases tend to make it seem like she might be a gettable vote, but then she usually just signs on to whatever insane shit the conservative majority writes, so it’s hard to know what she really thinks.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Alito is often an unprofessional little pissbaby when questioning the SG. Gorsuch is often a dick too. The rest are pretty sessional. 
 

ACB’s questions in the more politically charged cases tend to make it seem like she might be a gettable vote, but then she usually just signs on to whatever insane shit the conservative majority writes, so it’s hard to know what she really thinks.


ACB votes whichever way ‘People of Praise’ tells her to vote 

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