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  1. i did not know this this is what this is all about sec v. b1g is actually disney v. fox tick tock 3 days on the clock or we stay at 12
  2. 'We are money laundering' — With schools bending (or breaking) new rules, SEC and others mull new governance model Ross Dellenger 16–20 minutes NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — About 12 miles south of Washington, D.C., the Gaylord National Resort looms over the Potomac River, its 19-story indoor garden atrium delivering a perpetual oasis as thousands of tourists meander underneath its glass ceiling. This week, university and conference executives participate in the annual NCAA convention here. Advertisement As it turns out, the scene — thousands of convention-goers under a single roof — is indicative of the NCAA as a whole. The Gaylord is quite literally a “big tent,” the term often used to describe the NCAA’s scope of member schools with drastically differing missions, standards and financial prowess, yet they are all governed under a single national association. Perhaps, it’s time for a change. “Big problems are not solved in big rooms filled with people. That is a principle,” SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said in a recent interview with Yahoo Sports. In the midst of the association’s annual gathering, leaders from the NCAA’s aristocracy — the Football Bowl Subdivision, including most notably the four power conferences — are charting a course for more change to the governance and enforcement of college athletics, in particular football. Advertisement Unbeknownst to many, college leaders have created a new committee with the expressed mission to study the future of FBS governance and determine if the subdivision should operate outside of the NCAA structure — a long-discussed move gaining more momentum than ever. But there is, perhaps, something even more serious brewing: a frustration from those in many power leagues at the lack of enforcement from the NCAA — and College Sports Commission too — over allegations of tampering of college athletes, eligibility rulings and the circumvention of the industry’s new roster spending cap. For some, a solution is emerging: Each conference should govern itself, enforce its own rules and, perhaps even, compete solely with its own members. “If the CSC is not going to enforce the House settlement, if the NCAA is not going to enforce tampering rules and if Congress is not going to pass the SCORE Act, then it leaves the SEC in a position that we have to go our own way to create some rules and a level of responsibility,” Georgia president Jere Morehead, a former chair of the NCAA DI Board of Directors, told Yahoo Sports earlier this month. “We’d be able to make a much stronger argument that we are not in violation of antitrust rules because we don’t have market power.” Frustrations over tampering and lack of enforcement from the NCAA have the four power conferences considering drastic changes. Leaders from across college sports are gathering this week at the Gaylord National Resort in National Harbor to discuss the industry's many pain points. While the SEC isn’t alone in its dismay over national enforcement, league officials are publicly expressing their feelings, while they privately take preliminary steps to contemplate a new model. Advertisement Sankey cautions any suggestion of the long-discussed “breakaway” by the SEC and other power leagues. Nobody wants to “rush there,” and the SEC remains committed to a “national organization,” he says. However, “there are limits to that,” Sankey said. “The frustration level is building. I anticipate that there’s a lot of people that are saying, ‘This might not work for us.’” Those people exist well beyond the SEC’s footprint, even if they remain in the background. “There is support among other memberships for a similar model,” one Big Ten athletic director told Yahoo Sports. “Each league governs itself and plays only games within the league.” Advertisement At the forefront of the latest frustrations is the unruly nature of the college sports landscape six months into the industry’s most fundamental change in its more than 100-year history — schools directly compensating athletes through a capped revenue-sharing model. The enforcement failures are directed at the NCAA, charged with tampering and overseeing eligibility, and the new entity created by the power leagues, the College Sports Commission, charged with policing the cap. The pursuit of athletes at other schools is a common occurrence, described by Mississippi State president Mark Keenum as “widespread tampering.” Coaches and staff members are encouraging athletes from other schools to enter the portal, despite many of them being under signed revenue-share agreements with their current programs — something that has resulted already in one lawsuit (Wisconsin is suing Miami over tampering allegations). Advertisement Roster budgets are booming well beyond the $20.5 million cap meant for all athletes within a university athletic department. Most big-brand football roster estimates are exceeding $25 million as schools arrange the redirection of revenues — from the athletic department to rosters — using third-party marketing and endorsement deals exempt from the cap. They are using old-fashioned methods (collectives and boosters), multimedia rights partners (Playfly and Learfied) and apparel brands (Adidas, Nike and Under Armour). And while these deals must pass through the CSC’s new clearinghouse, NIL Go, university administrators are guaranteeing the cash to athletes before they reach the point of being cleared. The situation has left the industry exasperated and broken, with many wondering aloud four simple words. What are we doing? Advertisement “We are money laundering,” said one high-level Big Ten school administrator. “All we are doing right now is moving money around.” Three power conference athletic directors — all of them outside of the SEC, as it turns out — told Yahoo Sports within the last week that they believe there should be no cap as the enforcement of it is far too difficult. In a recent interview on an Ohio-based podcast, the Tim & Beanie Show, Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork said college leaders need to seriously consider no longer "restricting the money,” as it results in rule-breaking and legal challenges. He suggests that the $20.5 million cap figure is no longer enough, evident by the third-party workaround from schools. Advertisement “Should we just make it an open market?” Bjork asked. But not everyone wishes to drastically alter a system that is only six months old. In a wide-ranging interview with Yahoo Sports recently, Sankey specifically directed his dissatisfaction toward the NCAA for inconsistencies in eligibility waiver rulings that often magnify frustration and confusion among coaches, he says, and also chided the organization for little tampering enforcement. “I’m mystified why there is a lack of clarity over the responsibility for tampering,” Sankey said. “That is the responsibility for the NCAA to oversee.” However, tampering is not an easily prosecuted violation. Firstly, NCAA officials point to a Tennessee judge’s ruling in 2024 that allows booster-funded NIL collectives to communicate with high school recruits and transfer portal players. That judge’s preliminary injunction still stands. Advertisement In a statement to Yahoo Sports, the NCAA says its enforcement team has processed about 95 tampering cases thus far this year, some of which remain with the Committee on Infractions for final approval. “Successfully enforcing tampering cases requires cooperation from coaches, student-athletes and administrators — especially from those whose teams were tampered with — and while the Association is thankful for the support for the finished cases, more cooperation will lead to more closed cases,” said Tim Buckley, the NCAA’s senior vice president of external affairs. However, the roster spending cap is another matter entirely. It is overseen by the College Sports Commission. Advertisement ‘Gun shy’ CSC? The College Sports Commission is only in its infancy, but its CEO Bryan Seeley has by all accounts worked diligently with conference and member schools to assure an earnest operation of the system. However, in a situation indicative of the strife within college sports, the CSC’s participation agreement — drafted and encouraged by attorneys from the power leagues — has twice failed to gain consensus among the 68 schools in the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Big Ten. The original version of the document — signed by the SEC but only binding if all power league schools sign — prohibits universities from taking legal action against the CSC. It’s a way to protect the CSC to enforce rules and avoid the death knell of NCAA enforcement — legal challenges from its own member schools. “Everyone wants to blame the NCAA. The NCAA is us,” Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte said. “We made the rules as a governing body and yet members broke the rules and lawyered up to sue over the rules they created.” Advertisement In a presentation from the NCAA convention on Wednesday, Seeley delivered an impassioned 10-minute plea to schools, urging them to sign the participation agreement — a document he refers to as “foundational” to the future — and encouraged administrators to openly support it. “If there’s a time to stick out your neck, it’s now,” Seeley told the room of conference and school officials. Investigations could be right around the corner. Seeley says the organization is in the process of notifying several schools of “issues we’re looking into in terms of unreported NIL deals.” The CSC recently hired a 10th member to its staff, which includes at least one former FBI investigator. Morehead and three other power conference university presidents penned a letter earlier this week encouraging schools to sign the CSC agreement so true enforcement can begin. The situation with the CSC agreement is “the perfect example of why we can’t fix our problems,” said Joe Castiglione, the outgoing athletic director at Oklahoma. Advertisement “The CSC is probably a little gun shy to enforce things at the Power Four schools because we basically just fired the NCAA,” Tennessee athletic director Danny White said. Many administrators attribute some of the ballooning rosters not as much to cap circumvention but to schools “frontloading” athlete contracts last spring. Universities paid millions to players for their 2025 roster before the implementation of the new enforcement entity and the creation of the cap, thus providing them with excess cash to use in the portal for next year’s roster. “It’s going to take a couple of years to normalize what happened in the frontloading,” said Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark, who says he’s aggressively working toward having the participation agreement signed soon. “CSC is prepared to enforce settlement rules and is making real progress.” Last summer, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said that a school may need to be punished to fully realize the effectiveness of the new enforcement arm. Advertisement “That needs to happen,” Phillips said. “And if it happens in our league, I won’t feel any differently about it because this is about us trying to settle down the whole entire enterprise.” Is enforcement on the way? Sankey gestures toward the NIL Go clearinghouse as one avenue for enforcement by approving and denying third-party compensation to athletes. In the latest figures, the CSC has approved 17,321 deals worth $127.2 million and denied 524 deals worth $14.9 million. Several hundred more are under review. The organization announced on Friday that it is “concerned” over third-party guarantees to athletes that have not yet been approved and that it is launching inquiries into several programs for unreported NIL deals. If these deals are eventually rejected, athletes may be risking their eligibility. Advertisement “If we don’t get the federal legislation and schools don’t legitimately agree to this settlement and do everything we can to follow the spirit of the law, if you don’t get to that place, we’re going to have to look at the other alternatives that allow us to have guardrails,” Baylor president Linda Livingstone, a former chair of the NCAA Board of Governors, told Yahoo Sports in an interview in August. “The ones you hear most about are some kind of bargaining model,” she continued. “We don’t want an employment model, but everybody recognizes bargaining is something we need to be considering.” ‘What’s old is new again’ Decades ago, even before Mike Slive and Jim Delaney deftly operated the SEC and Big Ten, enforcement and investigations originated from the conference office. Advertisement Many administrators believe such conference-only governance provides a way to create rules and enforce those rules — such as tampering, eligibility and the roster cap — without as much legal scrutiny as the NCAA endures. But for many that also could mean something else: conference-only competition. “Federal law prevents us from setting unilaterally national standards,” says Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin. “It seems like the only chance you have at setting a standard is a smaller subset of schools. We want to make this a national sport. But according to federal law, it’s a regional sport that happens to have national appeal.” For years, conferences operated within silos, governing only themselves, investigating and enforcing themselves and playing mostly themselves until the postseason, when bowl games — tethered to specific leagues — arranged end-of-year matchups. Advertisement “What’s old is new again,” said one power league athletic director with a laugh here at the convention. But such a model doesn’t solve all of the problems, Sankey acknowledges, though it’s “helpful to have a more consistent environment and more commonality among decision-makers to make decisions for the group,” he said. “Regardless of everyone who calls you to pitch their idea, there is no easy button,” Sankey said. From the convention on Tuesday, NCAA president Charlie Baker doesn’t necessarily disagree on some of these points. In fact, the NCAA plans to undergo what Baker described as a “pretty big review” of rule-making to “figure out where deregulation makes sense.” The vast majority of his membership believes that national standards should exist on academic and eligibility standards, seasons of competition and some level of playing rules. As for the rest of it, he hopes to shift to more “conference-centric.” Advertisement “The big question mark on some of this is, ‘Can you create a national championship if you don’t have some framework on how people are engaged?’” he asked. It's true. What if other leagues don’t adopt similar rules and enforce them? One SEC athletic director says it’s "plausible" to have an SEC-only independent enforcement arm, but that could cause problems with national competition. “If the Big Ten does something different, it doesn’t work,” the official said. “Our coaches would be up our asses.” That’s why some within the SEC believe that conference-only competition is necessary — at least eventually — if other conferences do not adopt and enforce similar policies. Advertisement “l think we’d want to play with the schools following the rules,” said Morehead, the Georgia president. “I think this plan would work because college football fans are focused on the SEC. Look at the TV ratings this past season. Our fans want to see a rules structure.” The SEC won 13 of the football national championships from 2006-2022. Despite not having a team for a third straight year in the national title game, the league’s viewership continues to top the sport. Twelve of the top 15 most-watched games this season involved an SEC team. Can it survive only playing among itself? The league may be trading legal antitrust scrutiny for heated political criticism. Sankey knows this. In fact, unprompted during the interview, he launched into his respect and appreciation for national competition such as the NCAA basketball tournament — one of the most popular events in American sports. Over the last several weeks, Sankey has distributed to his university presidents a history on “how we got to where we are now,” says Keenum, the Mississippi State president. Advertisement “The decisions made in the early 2000s, to pull the commissioner’s office out of investigation and enforcement, do we want to make any changes to the current status quo?” Keenum asks. “We are having early preliminary conversations in our conference in light of all the frustrations and without a clearly delineated enforcement and investigative body.” Some suggest that it should go well beyond a conference-only governance model. In a wide-ranging story published at Yahoo Sports in June, several power conference athletic directors publicly voiced their support for a collective-bargaining model as a way to establish rules, regulations and some stability. As the NCAA convention marches onward here, beneath the giant roof of the Gaylord National Resort, everyone seems to be searching for a solution. Advertisement Anything but this. “Lots of people in this league are saying, ‘What is Plan B?’” Texas A&M athletic director Trev Alberts says. “I’d put a really small group together, including current coaches. Put everything on the table. You’re basically saying, ‘If we were going to start over, what would it look like?’ The longer we wait, the deeper the hole gets.”
  3. the extended deadline is this friday 23rd
  4. 'It is an embarrassment for the sport' — SEC, Big Ten still at odds over future format of College Football Playoff Ross Dellenger 6–7 minutes MIAMI BEACH, Fla. — Only 11 months ago, from a high rise in New Orleans, athletic directors from the SEC and Big Ten huddled in a room for their latest installment of a joint effort (an Alliance, some might call it) with an expressed mission to find solutions to what ails college athletics. In fact, the SEC and Big Ten’s partnership was serious enough that the two commissioners, Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti, held a joint news conference after that meeting — the second such gathering following the creation of the alliance in February 2024. In announcing their league marriage, commissioners described the partnership as a “meaningful step” to “fix things” and “a common-sense solution” to a “much brighter horizon.” On Sunday, from a luxury hotel in South Beach, as FBS conference leaders met, darkness remains on the horizon. Disagreements rage. Divide exists. The two wealthiest conferences in college athletics — just months ago locked into what appeared to be a long-term relationship for the betterment of the industry — have seen their relationship fade. No more joint meetings, shared ideals or future plans. The SEC and Big Ten seem to be on a path toward divorce — the latest bickering fight playing out here on a rare gloomy day on Miami Beach during annual meetings of College Football Playoff leaders (the FBS conference commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director). The storm outside was emblematic of the one raging within the walls of the Loews Hotel: two conferences, suddenly, that cannot agree on much. The college football calendar, the playoff, the level of enforcement over athlete compensation, private equity’s inclusion in the sport, etc. During a three-hour meeting Sunday among power conference executives, they failed to reach an agreement on expanding the 12-team playoff, each dug into its current position: The SEC is in support of a 16-team field and the Big Ten is backing a 24-team bracket. The leagues hold sole authority over any format decisions, a move granted to them in spring of 2024 by the eight other FBS conferences. A compromise proposal — introduced more than a month ago — would move the playoff to 16 teams for a set amount of years (perhaps two) before an agreement to shift to 24. Officials have not reached an agreement on that concept and may not. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and his presidents are against making any guarantees in this unpredictable environment of college athletics. How have the SEC and Big Ten, compadres a few months ago, fallen so far apart? “Self interest,” said one person while exiting the CFP meeting room. The instability within college athletics — little to no enforcement of an industry professionalizing before our eyes — is at the heart of indecision and dysfunction within the playoff room. All of this is tethered together. These are competitive conferences, waging what are now high-priced recruiting bidding wars, battling one another on the field and yet trying to work in tandem off of it — a reason that the SEC is at least in the preliminary stages of considering a conference-only governance model. All of that said, there remains faint hope from some that a playoff agreement on expansion can still be reached by this Friday — a deadline set by ESPN for the implementation of any new format next season. Sunday was “not a deadline day,” noted CFP board of managers chair Mark Keenum, the Mississippi State president. Friday’s deadline is the final extension that ESPN will give, according to CFP executive director Rich Clark. The playoff will remain at 12 teams if a compromise cannot be reached by then. Is an agreement really possible? “That’s up to two people in the room,” American Conference commissioner Tim Pernetti said. “They are negotiating,” Keenum said. “We’ll see where it comes out.” “Still more work to do,” Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti told reporters as he left the room. Outside of the SEC and Big Ten, what do the other conferences want? Most of them have voiced public support for a 16-team model with automatic qualifiers for each of the four power leagues and the best non-power league conference champion, plus 11 at-large selections. However, some of them privately are more than open to a discussion about the Big Ten’s proposed 24-team model, which includes four automatic qualifiers for each of the four power leagues, plus two Group of Six bids and six at-large selections (that’s at least one of many proposals discussed as it relates to a 24-team bracket). The SEC and its presidents are against growing to that many programs as such a move impacts conference championship games, bowls, the regular season and the calendar itself. In perhaps an ominous comment, Keenum reminded reporters Sunday of the painstakingly slow process of the last expansion. “It took five years for us to go from four to 12,” Keenum said. “I think the fact we are having conversations is a good thing, but there’s a lot of things to weigh on this.” This is only Year 2 of the new 12-team playoff. In fact, expansion conversations beyond 12 started even before the completion of the first 12-team field last year. Back then, the SEC and Big Ten got along, agreed on plenty and even held joint meetings. Those days feel over — a microcosm of the now years-long fracturing of the entire industry. “It is an embarrassment for the sport,” scoffed one college leader Sunday. In fact, while conference commissioners and their corresponding presidents met Sunday over playoff matters, a young child was heard crying down a hallway from the meeting room. “Hey,” one reporter playfully said upon hearing the child’s wailing, “the commissioners are arguing again.” the extended deadline is this friday 23rd
  5. people! we just recently UNCOVERED the demarcation line in aggy metrics: 1963 they had no wimmens before that - how that had any effect on their football team remains unproven by science but it is the year they cite in their wiki as the "before" as opposed to the "after" when "the series with tu has been fairly even" they only allowed "full" admission to wimmens in 1969 and "unrestricted" admission in 1971 the annual number of girl fish was dozens not hundreds much less thousands until the mid-70s aggy by default had to remain milkmen only for decades after their natty aggypedia has a full section on the above, joe bob says check it out the intertrons note female cheer at the following: gopher 1923 gatah 1937 creamsicle 1938 i would love to know the definition or criteria of "'Area' Women"
  6. excuse me, sir, i speak aggy the correct diction is: "have you seen Bonfire?"
  7. the chef's kiss to trump's executive order protecting the army navy game on the 2nd saturday in december in it's own guaranteed exclusive 4-hour afternoon timeslot is that it gives the b1g and the sec the excuse they need to stay at 12 and solve the g6 problem aggy will never make a 12-team field ever again cr comments repressed for those with feels
  8. which one?
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  10. post numbers would be useful also, a "go to topic listing" at the top of the page just like at the bottom
  11. my standard is: no asswater at all i'll settle for 1 false start and 1 holding per quarter and 1 sack in each half 4 flags, 2 sacks is that too much to ask?
  12. if you are that far upstate and you turn around and go back to the city you will never visit cooperstown, woodstock or annandale
  13. maybe not your jam, but my madison game weekend would be: weds afternoon arr ORD - never check luggage - eat inside tsa in the airport - crash EARLY at the hilton thurs 6am andiamo breakfast in the hilton - back to room - bio - airport train to rental car center not going to spend the time to lay out the precise c&c for all of this: yerkes observatory, cave of the mounds, and circus world (only if you have kids or you are nostalgic for the traveling circus) frank lloyd wright trail: 7 sites in wisconsin, 4 in northern illinois NOT in chicago proper any of a dozen cheese sites (have not fitered for latlong): Ellsworth, Monroe, Fremont, Weyauwega, Mineral Point, Plymouth, Plain, Darlington, Pleasant Ridge, New Glarus, the Cheese Country Recreation Trail for a scenic drive through dairy country 1 or 2 cheese sites plus the cave, the scope, and the 3 or 4 most important wright sites consumes thursday and friday but you would stay 3 nights in madison and the itinerary would be constructed for a 3pm thursday check-in and 10am sunday checkout circus world is only 1 hour north of madison but is a full day given kids are kids i would go a day early to make time for a the ultrageek 240-mile pilgrimage from madison to sauk city, mt. zion, desoto and return to madison
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