So you were disagreeing with things that weren't in my post. As the thread continued you'll see that most people agree that we all (as a society) owe our veterans things. I was looking to clarify what @RomaVicta meant and we learned that I agree on the things we owe them. And your example is another of protecting our safety, not our freedom. Despite people's unwillingness to think about it, it's an important distinction. Unless we are being invaded, the US military is not protecting our freedom. The jingoistic military worship where we're all supposed to thank all veterans for protecting our freedom is one of the reasons so many Americans don't realize that their freedom is threatened by their own government far more than by other nations. And again, that is critical to understand right now. Now of course the military obviously protects our freedom by existing. But engaging in overseas combat isn't really protecting America's freedom.
Name the combat that protected your freedom. There hasn't been a foreign threat to your freedom since WWII and even that was never really a threat to it (but only because of our combat success and that's why I count it). In this post you conflate safety with freedom, which of course are not the same thing at all. The military has indeed protected your safety over the years including through combat. Of course, they've also endangered your safety by engaging in operations that radicalized enemies against us. And as the voting results above show, many combat veterans have actually done more to threaten our freedom by voting for authoritarian fascists than they ever did to protect it. The greatest threats to Americans' freedoms are internal, not external.
And I agree that we as a society owe them this since we as a society sent them into combat, which is why it boggles the kind that veterans as a group consistently vote for the people who want to decrease such services. I certainly vote at every opportunity for my taxes to provide such services. But that is not at all how your initial statement read and is why I asked the question.
I agree with all of that, but I'm questioning what citizens owe them. Basic respect for volunteerism we can agree on, however he specifically cited combat veterans as those who are owed something.
Lol "forced to resign" but was able to withdraw it. Yes, everything points to this dipshit wanting to grift from a GoFundMe and cash in on the right wing rage machine.
I only now realized that @gernblansten said it was ridiculous to bring up Rosa Parks in this situation. Holy shit. Dude, the government is currently openly and blatantly violating people's rights and they're doing it violently. They are detaining people, disappearing people, and murdering people. The problem isn't that the civil rights movement isn't a comparable situation, the problem is that it's the exact situation we're headed for if people don't do something but it makes you uncomfortable to think maybe you live in dark times. Sorry, man, you do. And if people like you don't figure it out then it will only get worse.
Correct, the problem you're having is that you haven't accepted that it doesn't matter when it comes to ICE. That was neither my choice nor the arsonist's choice, but that doesn't change the truth. You know it, you just haven't accepted it.
But that's the disconnect; it's not about being right, it's about winning. The administration has essentially declared war on the populace and they are completely ignoring the law. Respecting the rule of law and always following it sounds great when the law is being respected by everyone. When one side is ignoring it and killing people you will eventually get to the point where the victim's side always following the law will only result in more victims with zero consequences for the aggressors. Dropping atomic bombs on Japanese cities was a horrible, horrible thing to do. But it wasn't about being good or respecting normal protocols, it was about winning. When an aggressor has killed your people and shown no respect for norms, handcuffing yourself in your response tends not to work in the long run. Edited to add I'm basically saying what @Tuco said and there are countless examples. Rosa Parks committed a crime. The Boston Tea Party was a crime, hell the Declaration of Independence itself was a crime. Nelson Mandela committed crimes. Saying that "arson is still a crime" may be the comfortable thing to say but is an extremely superficial analysis.
This is what @Brisketexan has been talking about, though. When you decide the rule of law no longer applies, guess what? At some point the other side will agree with you. The Trump administration is blatantly ignoring the law. This woman did the same for a just cause. If I'm on that jury there will never be a unanimous guilty verdict and I would let the rest of the jury know as soon as we sat down.
Her face looked genuinely shocked at herself to me. Obviously the word is in there but at our age the word is definitely in there. She was trying to say fart knocker and it came out. Not excusing her but I would not be surprised if she grew up with someone who said that word and her brain just threw it in there.
Rand Paul finally standing up and saying something makes me wonder if Ron Paul is dying and told his son he better start standing up for what's right even if only a little bit. I disagree with them on a ton of shit but if you're going to claim to be about small government you can't be silent about this ICE shit.
Just got this game for Christmas for myself (along with my wheel/pedals setup) and am enjoying it a bunch. Of course right now I'm just grinding for credits with the AFK Honda Beat trick which is dumb but whatever.